David Looser wrote:

These days I use a modest Panasonic DVD player for CD
playback.

Hey, I've got a Panasonic DVD player (in black which I prefer) too. A cheapy
from Amazon. 'B stock', it was about £45.

Graham

tony sayer wrote:

Eeyore scribeth thus

You are all FOOLS.

No you claimed to hear a particular sound which seems, from the
explanation from the railway signalling standards, to be similar in
nature and you also said that you had a recording of it somewhere and
that IIRC you were looking it up?.

And I found it..

In which particular way would would you like to eat your words ? Shoved down your
wretched throat I hope.

Graham

Rob wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Rob wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
Couple of the Wki things - 24 bit recording isn't always
dithered,
As a practical matter *every* real-world 24 bit audio recording *is*
dithered by random noise from other parts of the recording chain.
You'd be be hard preseed NOT to dither a 24 bit recording - LMAO !

Silly beyond extreme.
No point shooting messenger people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantiz...und_processing)

I intentionally didn't look up the reference since I was much more
interested in your interpretation of it.

"24-bit audio is sometimes used undithered"

Is mine a misinterpretation?

Well .... if you had a source with 144 dB s/n ratio it would be undithered.

Got it yet ?

Graham

Rob wrote:

David Looser wrote:
"Rob" wrote

You would understand my curiosity and confusion here, given the claims of
manufacturers and reviewers.

I wouldn't give you the time of day for the claims of manufacturers or
reviewers. I lost faith in the latter (and stopped buying HiFi mags) after
reading a review of the Linn Sondek turntable sometime around 1980, which
was so absurdly and ridiciculoudly OTT in it's praise for it that, had it
been an advert, it would have contravened ASA rules.

And given the objective analysis available, you'd (well, I'd) think this
sort of thing:

http://www.arcam.co.uk/prod_fmj_CD37_intro.cfm

wouldn't be allowed.

What in particular ? Actually, it seems all of their claims have a sound
scientific basis.

Maybe you should buy one ?

Graham

Eeyore wrote:

Rob wrote:

David Looser wrote:
"Rob" wrote

You would understand my curiosity and confusion here, given the claims of
manufacturers and reviewers.
I wouldn't give you the time of day for the claims of manufacturers or
reviewers. I lost faith in the latter (and stopped buying HiFi mags) after
reading a review of the Linn Sondek turntable sometime around 1980, which
was so absurdly and ridiciculoudly OTT in it's praise for it that, had it
been an advert, it would have contravened ASA rules.
And given the objective analysis available, you'd (well, I'd) think this
sort of thing:

http://www.arcam.co.uk/prod_fmj_CD37_intro.cfm

wouldn't be allowed.

What in particular ? Actually, it seems all of their claims have a sound
scientific basis.

Maybe you should buy one ?

Graham


Stealth Mat indeed :-)

Maybe I should!

Rob

Eeyore wrote:

Rob wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Rob wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
Couple of the Wki things - 24 bit recording isn't always
dithered,
As a practical matter *every* real-world 24 bit audio recording *is*
dithered by random noise from other parts of the recording chain.
You'd be be hard preseed NOT to dither a 24 bit recording - LMAO !

Silly beyond extreme.
No point shooting messenger people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantiz...und_processing)
I intentionally didn't look up the reference since I was much more
interested in your interpretation of it.
"24-bit audio is sometimes used undithered"

Is mine a misinterpretation?

Well .... if you had a source with 144 dB s/n ratio it would be undithered.

Got it yet ?

Graham


Got what?

Rob

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
I can tell the Meridian 200 player from others, though. I struggles to
play
some discs - typically CDRs - and just fails with a TOC or Err XX. :-)



Slainte,

Jim

My 206, which has the same transport etc as your 200 also struggles with
CDRs in the same way. Mine will usually, but not always play a CDR all the
way through, but won't allow me to select tracks, or to jump from one track
to another. It has never been happy with CDRs from when they became
available so I recently sent it back to Meridian as I wondered if the laser
was losing strength. They told me that the laser was fine, the player was
still to spec, it was just never designed to play CDRs, as they didn't exist
when the 200 series was designed. I have a £30 DVD player which I use to
play the few music DVDs I have, so I use that to play CDRs if I don't just
want to play one all the way through. Using the digital outputs only, I
can't hear any difference between the 206 and the DVD player, so I'm happy.
S.

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In article , Serge Auckland
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
I can tell the Meridian 200 player from others, though. I struggles to
play some discs - typically CDRs - and just fails with a TOC or Err
XX. :-)


My 206, which has the same transport etc as your 200 also struggles with
CDRs in the same way. Mine will usually, but not always play a CDR all
the way through, but won't allow me to select tracks, or to jump from
one track to another. It has never been happy with CDRs from when they
became available so I recently sent it back to Meridian as I wondered
if the laser was losing strength. They told me that the laser was fine,
the player was still to spec, it was just never designed to play CDRs,
as they didn't exist when the 200 series was designed.

Yes, that seems fair enough to me, although a shame.

I have a £30 DVD player which I use to play the few music DVDs I have,
so I use that to play CDRs if I don't just want to play one all the way
through. Using the digital outputs only, I can't hear any difference
between the 206 and the DVD player, so I'm happy.

It also ceased to be a problem for me once I have a couple of Pioneer
CDR509 CD Audio recorders. I use these when the 200 struggles. Just pipe
the SPDIF from that the the DAC. Can't tell any difference in the sound, so
works fine.

For DVD Videos I now use an Arcam. Works well. Prefer it when replaying
home recorded DVD R videos of things like Proms concerts from BBC4 TV.
Looking forward to the new season. :-))

Shame, though, that despite it being an 'anniversary' year for Vaughan
Williams, and the BBC putting on a number of Proms featuring his work,
almost none of them are to be on BBC TV! Have the feeling that there are
still people at the BBC who look down on his music. Dissapointing.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Rob" wrote in message

Eeyore wrote:

Rob wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Rob wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
Couple of the Wki things - 24 bit recording isn't
always dithered,
As a practical matter *every* real-world 24 bit
audio recording *is* dithered by random noise from
other parts of the recording chain.
You'd be be hard preseed NOT to dither a 24 bit
recording - LMAO ! Silly beyond extreme.
No point shooting messenger people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantiz...und_processing)
I intentionally didn't look up the reference since I
was much more interested in your interpretation of it.
"24-bit audio is sometimes used undithered"

Is mine a misinterpretation?

Well .... if you had a source with 144 dB s/n ratio it
would be undithered. Got it yet ?

Graham


Got what?

The reality that any real world 24 bit program is going to have a noise
floor that is so much higher than the LSB that it is always dithered.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message

Eeyore wrote:
Rob wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Rob wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
Couple of the Wki things - 24 bit recording isn't
always dithered,
As a practical matter *every* real-world 24 bit
audio recording *is* dithered by random noise from
other parts of the recording chain.
You'd be be hard preseed NOT to dither a 24 bit
recording - LMAO ! Silly beyond extreme.
No point shooting messenger people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantiz...und_processing)
I intentionally didn't look up the reference since I
was much more interested in your interpretation of it.
"24-bit audio is sometimes used undithered"

Is mine a misinterpretation?
Well .... if you had a source with 144 dB s/n ratio it
would be undithered. Got it yet ?

Graham

Got what?

The reality that any real world 24 bit program is going to have a noise
floor that is so much higher than the LSB that it is always dithered.


That wasn't the point - you'll have the tedious task of reading the
thread for context I'm afraid. FYI Don Pearce gave a completely
unambiguous answer.

Rob