Universal players & digital output
 

Can't find the answer to this anywhere so apologies if it's been
asked
before.

Say I have a universal player (which converts DSD to PCM and outputs
24bit/192kHz e.g. Pioneer DV-600AV-S ) with HDMI out, and I connect a
convertor which splits out the digital audio into an optical signal
which I
send to a DAC (say Benchmark DAC1).
1.Will this work at all?
2.Will the copy protection on the discs make it fail?
3.Are all SACD/DVD-A discs copy protected?

Phileas

Universal players & digital output
 

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Say I have a universal player (which converts DSD

DSD?

to PCM and outputs
24bit/192kHz e.g. Pioneer DV-600AV-S ) with HDMI out, and I connect a
convertor which splits out the digital audio into an optical signal
which I
send to a DAC (say Benchmark DAC1).
1.Will this work at all?
2.Will the copy protection on the discs make it fail?
3.Are all SACD/DVD-A discs copy protected?


I've been experimenting recently with the HDMI output from an upscaling DVD
player, striping out the audio in the way you suggest and feeding it to a
DAC. It works fine with all the DVDs I've tried it with (inc. copy
protected). These are all video DVDs (I have no audio ones) and the audio
was at 48k (as my hearing doesn't extend to 96kHz).

David.

Universal players & digital output
 

wrote in message
...
Can't find the answer to this anywhere so apologies if
it's been
asked
before.

Say I have a universal player (which converts DSD to PCM
and outputs
24bit/192kHz e.g. Pioneer DV-600AV-S ) with HDMI out, and
I connect a
convertor which splits out the digital audio into an
optical signal
which I
send to a DAC (say Benchmark DAC1).
1.Will this work at all?
No.

2.Will the copy protection on the discs make it fail?
Yes.

3.Are all SACD/DVD-A discs copy protected?
Yes. There are some discs that are not and these are
called DADs

Even though you split the bitstream out you still need a
decoder. The whole idea of this hi-rez stuff is to *not*
let the Jeanie out of the bottle ;-) *IF* it was that
simple everyone would be copying and ripping these discs -
which they are not. DVD-A has been cracked though (a long
time ago) and I rip the 2 channel stuff off at my computer
and then play through my music server and DAC. But first
you need the to remove the copy protection ;-)

Cheers TT

Universal players & digital output
 

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...
Can't find the answer to this anywhere so apologies if it's been
asked
before.

Say I have a universal player (which converts DSD to PCM and outputs
24bit/192kHz e.g. Pioneer DV-600AV-S ) with HDMI out, and I connect a
convertor which splits out the digital audio into an optical signal
which I
send to a DAC (say Benchmark DAC1).
1.Will this work at all?
2.Will the copy protection on the discs make it fail?
3.Are all SACD/DVD-A discs copy protected?

Phileas


There is no digital output from domestic SACD (DSD) players.
That Pioneer model as with all "domestic" universal players -
24/192 is only performed on-board.
With DVD-A the digital output is automatically downsampled
to 48khz via HDMI. And via S/PDIF and Toslink the digital output is 16/44.
With SACD there is no digital output via either HDMI nor S/PDIF,
GoTo Pioneers UK site, click the support link, download the PDF
manual for that model and it will fully explain on pages 37 - 39.
It is not possible to do what you require with *any* domestic
universal player.

Universal players & digital output
 

Once only wrote...

It is not possible to do what you require with *any* domestic
universal player.

It's a pity that each manufacturer has used a proprietary method for
outputting SACD DSD data.

How long before we see a standalone stereo DAC with DSD and HDMI
inputs?

--
Ken

http://www.members.lycos.co.uk/buddyduck/

Universal players & digital output
 

Once only wrote:
wrote in message
...
Can't find the answer to this anywhere so apologies if it's been
asked
before.

Say I have a universal player (which converts DSD to PCM and outputs
24bit/192kHz e.g. Pioneer DV-600AV-S ) with HDMI out, and I connect a
convertor which splits out the digital audio into an optical signal
which I
send to a DAC (say Benchmark DAC1).
1.Will this work at all?
2.Will the copy protection on the discs make it fail?
3.Are all SACD/DVD-A discs copy protected?

Phileas


There is no digital output from domestic SACD (DSD) players.
That Pioneer model as with all "domestic" universal players -
24/192 is only performed on-board.
With DVD-A the digital output is automatically downsampled
to 48khz via HDMI. And via S/PDIF and Toslink the digital output is 16/44.
With SACD there is no digital output via either HDMI nor S/PDIF,
GoTo Pioneers UK site, click the support link, download the PDF
manual for that model and it will fully explain on pages 37 - 39.
It is not possible to do what you require with *any* domestic
universal player.

I think you need to read those pages again, particularly the line
"96 kHz digital audio is output as is at 96 kHz."

And later on p56:
"Cannot output 192kHz or 176.4kHz digital audio.
The player does not output digital audio at these sampling rates.
The digital output is automatically downsampled."

--
Eiron.

Universal players & digital output
 

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:51:14 +0100, "Once only"
wrote:

There is no digital output from domestic SACD (DSD) players.
That Pioneer model as with all "domestic" universal players -
24/192 is only performed on-board.
With DVD-A the digital output is automatically downsampled
to 48khz via HDMI. And via S/PDIF and Toslink the digital output is 16/44.
With SACD there is no digital output via either HDMI nor S/PDIF,
GoTo Pioneers UK site, click the support link, download the PDF
manual for that model and it will fully explain on pages 37 - 39.
It is not possible to do what you require with *any* domestic
universal player.

First, there is digital output of DSD and its PCM convert at
full resolution via HDMI from a number of players. (Off
hand, I know of the Oppo 980, 981, 983 and the Pioneer DV-48
and DV-58). There are also several that will output via
iLink (IEEE 1394). In addition, a few manufacturers (Denon,
Accuphase, etc.) have effectively-similar proprietary
digital interfaces for this.

Recording this is another story. The only way that I know
of is to see about hardware solutions like:
https://www.dvdupgrades.ch/product/M...ard/24308.html
http://www.switch-box.com/3x_S_PDIF_...put_Board.html

Kal

Universal players & digital output
 

On Oct 13, 4:51*am, "Once only" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Can't find the answer to this anywhere so apologies if it's been
asked
before.

Say I have a universal player (which converts DSD to PCM and outputs
24bit/192kHz e.g. Pioneer DV-600AV-S ) with HDMI out, and I connect a
convertor which splits out the digital audio into an optical signal
which I
send to a DAC (say Benchmark DAC1).
1.Will this work at all?
2.Will the copy protection on the discs make it fail?
3.Are all SACD/DVD-A discs copy protected?

Phileas

There is no digital output from domestic SACD (DSD) players.
That Pioneer model as with all "domestic" universal players -
24/192 is only performed on-board.
With DVD-A the digital output is automatically downsampled
to 48khz via HDMI. And via S/PDIF and Toslink the digital output is 16/44..
With SACD there is no digital output via either HDMI nor S/PDIF,
GoTo Pioneers UK site, click the support link, download the PDF
manual for that model and it will fully explain on pages 37 - 39.
It is not possible to do what you require with *any* domestic
universal player.

I'm sure you're correct. I was confused by page 16:
DV-600AV
: The HDMI connection is
compatible with 2 channel linear PCM
signals (44.1 kHz to 192 kHz, 16 bit/20 bit/
24 bit), and Dolby Digital, DTS, MPEG
audio bitstream, multi channel DSD, and
multi channel linear PCM signals, (5.1
channel signals up to 96 kHz, 16 bit/20 bit/
24 bit).

Phileas

Universal players & digital output
 

On Oct 13, 4:17*pm, Kalman Rubinson wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:51:14 +0100, "Once only"

wrote:
There is no digital output from domestic SACD (DSD) players.
That Pioneer model as with all "domestic" universal players -
24/192 is only performed on-board.
With DVD-A the digital output is automatically downsampled
to 48khz via HDMI. And via S/PDIF and Toslink the digital output is 16/44.
With SACD there is no digital output via either HDMI nor S/PDIF,
GoTo Pioneers UK site, click the support link, download the PDF
manual for that model and it will fully explain on pages 37 - 39.
It is not possible to do what you require with *any* domestic
universal player.

First, there is digital output of DSD and its PCM convert at
full resolution *via HDMI from a number of players. *(Off
hand, I know of the Oppo 980, 981, 983 and the Pioneer DV-48
and DV-58). *There are also several that will output via
iLink (IEEE 1394). *In addition, a few manufacturers (Denon,
Accuphase, etc.) have effectively-similar proprietary
digital interfaces for this.

Recording this is another story.

I don't want to record, just convert and play.

Phileas

Universal players & digital output
 

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:30:36 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Oct 13, 4:17*pm, Kalman Rubinson wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:51:14 +0100, "Once only"

wrote:
There is no digital output from domestic SACD (DSD) players.
That Pioneer model as with all "domestic" universal players -
24/192 is only performed on-board.
With DVD-A the digital output is automatically downsampled
to 48khz via HDMI. And via S/PDIF and Toslink the digital output is 16/44.
With SACD there is no digital output via either HDMI nor S/PDIF,
GoTo Pioneers UK site, click the support link, download the PDF
manual for that model and it will fully explain on pages 37 - 39.
It is not possible to do what you require with *any* domestic
universal player.

First, there is digital output of DSD and its PCM convert at
full resolution *via HDMI from a number of players. *(Off
hand, I know of the Oppo 980, 981, 983 and the Pioneer DV-48
and DV-58). *There are also several that will output via
iLink (IEEE 1394). *In addition, a few manufacturers (Denon,
Accuphase, etc.) have effectively-similar proprietary
digital interfaces for this.

Recording this is another story.

I don't want to record, just convert and play.



I just looked back to see your original post now.
1.Will this work at all?"
Doubtful

2.Will the copy protection on the discs make it fail?
Probably

3.Are all SACD/DVD-A discs copy protected?
All SACD and the majority of DVD-A.

However, those two links in my last post describe ways to
get 2 channel S/PDIF output (x3 for multichannel). Neither
interferes with the HDMI output AFAIK. Check with those
vendors for more info.

Frankly, it would be simpler to use a processor that handles
these formats rather than try to use the Benchmark.

Kal