Keith G wrote:
TonyL wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Laurence
Payne wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:30:48 -0000, "TonyL"
The best image I ever got was from a pair of Dalquist speakers. 5
drivers per box, rather inaccurate response but amazing stereo when
positioned with lots of clear space around them.

FWIW as a general rule I tend to find you tend to get better imaging
if the speakers and listening position are all well clear of the
walls. Beyond that it becomes a matter of having the patience and
ability to keep experimenting and adjusting positions, etc. If
circumstances prevent this then it may be impossible to get a good
image, alas.


For me, clear of the walls is not an option. But I'm not so compulsive
that my life will be ruined for lack of a decent stereo image. As per
your and Laurence's advice I'll carry on tweaking within the room
constraints. Thanks.



When I see this 'stereo sweet spot' obsessiveness creeping in to the
proceedings, I visualize a dentist's chair bolted to the floor with
velcro wrist restraints on the arms....


You vill sit in zis position and you vill listen to ze music.
http://www.wilsonaudio.com/product_html/alex_intro.html

--
Bill Coombes

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:18:51 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

When I see this 'stereo sweet spot' obsessiveness creeping in to the
proceedings, I visualize a dentist's chair bolted to the floor with
velcro wrist restraints on the arms....

I've heard systems where the sweet spot WAS that small! And ones
where it was wide enough for several listeners to share a stereo
image.

bcoombes wrote:
Keith G wrote:
TonyL wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Laurence
Payne wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:30:48 -0000, "TonyL"
The best image I ever got was from a pair of Dalquist speakers. 5
drivers per box, rather inaccurate response but amazing stereo when
positioned with lots of clear space around them.

FWIW as a general rule I tend to find you tend to get better imaging
if the speakers and listening position are all well clear of the
walls. Beyond that it becomes a matter of having the patience and
ability to keep experimenting and adjusting positions, etc. If
circumstances prevent this then it may be impossible to get a good
image, alas.


For me, clear of the walls is not an option. But I'm not so
compulsive that my life will be ruined for lack of a decent stereo
image. As per your and Laurence's advice I'll carry on tweaking
within the room constraints. Thanks.



When I see this 'stereo sweet spot' obsessiveness creeping in to the
proceedings, I visualize a dentist's chair bolted to the floor with
velcro wrist restraints on the arms....


You vill sit in zis position and you vill listen to ze music.
http://www.wilsonaudio.com/product_html/alex_intro.html



That decor isn't going to do them any favours....

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:18:51 +0000, Keith G
wrote:

When I see this 'stereo sweet spot' obsessiveness creeping in to the
proceedings, I visualize a dentist's chair bolted to the floor with
velcro wrist restraints on the arms....

I've heard systems where the sweet spot WAS that small! And ones
where it was wide enough for several listeners to share a stereo
image.


Must be me - my main system's stereo image is vast and appears to be as
much behind and beyond the speakers as it is pushed out into the front!

I just walk away from it and hear it *over there* - IYSWIM...??

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Laurence Payne
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:30:48 -0000, "TonyL"

The best image I ever got was from a pair of Dalquist speakers. 5
drivers per box, rather inaccurate response but amazing stereo when
positioned with lots of clear space around them.


FWIW as a general rule I tend to find you tend to get better imaging if
the
speakers and listening position are all well clear of the walls. Beyond
that it becomes a matter of having the patience and ability to keep
experimenting and adjusting positions, etc. If circumstances prevent this
then it may be impossible to get a good image, alas.

You use ESLs don't you Jim? They are especially demanding
for optimum listening. In his own listening room, PW had them
set quite a distance from the rear walls.

Their stereo imaging is impressive, but in my experience the
sweet spot is rarely wider than a single chair.


Iain

In article , Iain Churches
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Laurence
Payne wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:30:48 -0000, "TonyL"

The best image I ever got was from a pair of Dalquist speakers. 5
drivers per box, rather inaccurate response but amazing stereo when
positioned with lots of clear space around them.


FWIW as a general rule I tend to find you tend to get better imaging
if the speakers and listening position are all well clear of the
walls. Beyond that it becomes a matter of having the patience and
ability to keep experimenting and adjusting positions, etc. If
circumstances prevent this then it may be impossible to get a good
image, alas.

You use ESLs don't you Jim? They are especially demanding for optimum
listening.

That may well be so. Hard for me to tell since I've never heard any other
speakers in a domestic situation giving equal results. So I suspect the
need to be fussy about positioning, etc, may go with the ability to then
get such good results! :-)

In his own listening room, PW had them set quite a distance
from the rear walls.

Yes, that wouldn't surprise me. It seems unlikely that they would work OK
near walls.

Their stereo imaging is impressive, but in my experience the sweet spot
is rarely wider than a single chair.

Mine also. Although I suspect you get a wider area if the room is larger,
etc. Snag then being to get a decent sound level if you aren't in in the
room built by the 'man from SME'. :-)

In some ways the ESLs are like the world's biggest and best pair of
headphones.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Iain Churches
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Laurence
Payne wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:30:48 -0000, "TonyL"

The best image I ever got was from a pair of Dalquist speakers. 5
drivers per box, rather inaccurate response but amazing stereo when
positioned with lots of clear space around them.


FWIW as a general rule I tend to find you tend to get better imaging
if the speakers and listening position are all well clear of the
walls. Beyond that it becomes a matter of having the patience and
ability to keep experimenting and adjusting positions, etc. If
circumstances prevent this then it may be impossible to get a good
image, alas.

You use ESLs don't you Jim? They are especially demanding for optimum
listening.

That may well be so. Hard for me to tell since I've never heard any other
speakers in a domestic situation giving equal results. So I suspect the
need to be fussy about positioning, etc, may go with the ability to then
get such good results! :-)

In his own listening room, PW had them set quite a distance
from the rear walls.

Yes, that wouldn't surprise me. It seems unlikely that they would work OK
near walls.

PW had three chairs positioned behind one another. Rather like
sitting in a bus. He remarked, with a twinkle in his eye. that this
also helped to discourage attempts at conversation while listening:-)

Iain

In article , Iain Churches
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

In his own listening room, PW had them set quite a distance from the
rear walls.

Yes, that wouldn't surprise me. It seems unlikely that they would work
OK near walls.

PW had three chairs positioned behind one another. Rather like sitting
in a bus. He remarked, with a twinkle in his eye. that this also helped
to discourage attempts at conversation while listening:-)

Wonder what he would have done if the person behind him had opened a box of
chocolates and started unwrapping and eating them. ;-

Slainte,

Jim

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Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Iain Churches
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

In his own listening room, PW had them set quite a distance from the
rear walls.
Yes, that wouldn't surprise me. It seems unlikely that they would work
OK near walls.

PW had three chairs positioned behind one another. Rather like sitting
in a bus. He remarked, with a twinkle in his eye. that this also helped
to discourage attempts at conversation while listening:-)

Wonder what he would have done if the person behind him had opened a box of
chocolates and started unwrapping and eating them. ;-


Lol, and the inevitable mobile phone going off.


--
Bill Coombes

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Iain Churches
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

In his own listening room, PW had them set quite a distance from the
rear walls.

Yes, that wouldn't surprise me. It seems unlikely that they would work
OK near walls.

PW had three chairs positioned behind one another. Rather like sitting
in a bus. He remarked, with a twinkle in his eye. that this also helped
to discourage attempts at conversation while listening:-)

Wonder what he would have done if the person behind him had opened a box
of
chocolates and started unwrapping and eating them. ;-


I forgot to mention that Peter sat at the back.

Iain