On 07/01/2010 22:07, Paul Martin wrote:
In ,
Keith Garratt wrote:

Not really, the point I have made in ukra *many times* is that, never
what the 'measurements' might say, the *sound* from LPs/vinyl is more
natural and therefore more realistic to my ear - is why I play them and
almost never play CDs, despite there being hundreds of 'em about the
house. (Most of 'em are up in the loft!! :-))

So, if you were to record these LPs to CD-R, would you be able to tell
the difference?



Now that, Detective, *is* the right question! :-)

I have always said that a CDR makes a good copy of an LP, so the short
answer is probably not.

But even if they sound OK, the truth is there's no juice in playing them
and although they might be 'LP length' (say 40 minutes or so,
altogether) they still go on too damn long and the proper 'putting a
record on' process is entirely lost!

I have way over 3,000 LPs and almost 3,000 'digital albums' (256K MP3s)
on my HDD and they are growing all the time, which makes me almost
50/50, but where I play LPs all the time and MP3s from time to time, I
*hardly ever* (almost never, in fact) play CDs!!

Investigating some of the recent crossposters just now, I saw someone
calling DAB radio 'dull and flat' in one of the other groups
(a.r.digital?) - CDs to me are like DAB is to FM; that is to say
superficially better in terms of 'specs' but not nearly so nice in
*real* terms!

That said, DAB is my standard, all-day long 'sonic wallpaper' so I don't
think I can really be accused of being prejudiced..!!

Keith Garratt said...

could I use it
with another OS? What's 'Ubuntu' all about then?

Give it a go Keith, works very well on older slower computers, I've
installed various versions on my heap, a P3 933Mhz with 512mb ram and
it runs much faster than XP,.

Currently installed is Mint Helena, mainly cos it looks nice.
http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

Hardware support in all the versions is truly excellent and
installation is easier than any flavour of windows.

Download the iso disc image burn to cd and you can boot and run the OS
from the cd which lets you see how it looks and feels and whether it
gets on with your hardware.

If you decide to install then you can set up a dual boot system and can
choose which OS to run on start up.

Using it is hardly any change from Windows, it all works in much the
same way but a few controls are in different places, no worse than
jumping into a strange car and taking a few minutes to learn the new
control layout.

Oh, and have a look at this DIY turntable, the main bearing is made
from a Harley shovelhead valve, combine two hobbies in one.
http://www.altmann.haan.de/turntable/

That's one of the things that I find appealing about turntables, the
simplicity of them, you could probably knock one up from the contents
of the average garden shed, where would you start with a DIY digital
disc player? Hand carve your very own laser assembly, yeah right.

--
Ken O'Meara
http://www.btinternet.com/~unsteadyken/

On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:17:56 +0000, Don Pearce wrote:

As for the getting hurt stuff, no, nobody gets hurt by sex

Utter nonsense.

The loyal husband/wife is indeed hurt by the adulterous wife/husband
buying sex from a prostitute.

Prostitution undermines the family unit and that is detrimental to
society, because whether you like to admit the fact or not, society
is built upon the family unit.

On 07/01/2010 23:13, UnsteadyKen wrote:
Keith Garratt said...

could I use it
with another OS? What's 'Ubuntu' all about then?

Give it a go Keith, works very well on older slower computers, I've
installed various versions on my heap, a P3 933Mhz with 512mb ram and
it runs much faster than XP,.

Currently installed is Mint Helena, mainly cos it looks nice.
http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

Hardware support in all the versions is truly excellent and
installation is easier than any flavour of windows.

Download the iso disc image burn to cd and you can boot and run the OS
from the cd which lets you see how it looks and feels and whether it
gets on with your hardware.



OK, that's excellent, Ken - that seems a nice 'reversible if need be'
way in! Many thanks!



If you decide to install then you can set up a dual boot system and can
choose which OS to run on start up.


Yes.



Using it is hardly any change from Windows, it all works in much the
same way but a few controls are in different places, no worse than
jumping into a strange car and taking a few minutes to learn the new
control layout.



How *apt* - I got rid of my car today and am now a 'non car' owner!!

(Gave it to Swim Bo - hers died a few weeks ago!)



Oh, and have a look at this DIY turntable, the main bearing is made
from a Harley shovelhead valve, combine two hobbies in one.

:-)


http://www.altmann.haan.de/turntable/


I have seen that before - it's superb!!

Reminds me - the guy at Moth (name escapes me) has got a turntable that
has been (presumably still is) running *non-stop* for the last 13 years,
I think it was (18?) - and that was a few years back now! It's using one
of their own bearings and has not been stopped ever for any maintenance
of any kind!

http://www.britishaudio.co.uk/mothrcm.htm

(Power cuts excepted, I suppose!)



That's one of the things that I find appealing about turntables, the
simplicity of them, you could probably knock one up from the contents
of the average garden shed, where would you start with a DIY digital
disc player? Hand carve your very own laser assembly, yeah right.



Turnables never seem to die out - the latest crop are USB with built-in
phono stages and A2D converters for 'digitising' and all for about 50
quid and up!

Ever done this for a chuckle - make paper cone, stick a needle through
the bottom end and hold it in the groove to make your deck into a little
'acoustic gramophone'??

:-)


Now, I have tried to remove the crossposting (??) but it wasn't
convincing - we'll see...

On 07/01/2010 23:39, Keith Garratt wrote:



Now, I have tried to remove the crossposting (??) but it wasn't
convincing - we'll see...



Seems to have worked?

Keith Garratt said...

Ever done this for a chuckle - make paper cone, stick a needle through
the bottom end and hold it in the groove to make your deck into a little
'acoustic gramophone'??

I think everybody has tried that at some stage, purists use a gold
plated needle while some swear by a brass drawing pin.

--
Ken O'Meara
http://www.btinternet.com/~unsteadyken/

"J G Miller" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:17:56 +0000, Don Pearce wrote:

As for the getting hurt stuff, no, nobody gets hurt by sex

Utter nonsense.

The loyal husband/wife is indeed hurt by the adulterous wife/husband
buying sex from a prostitute.

Prostitution undermines the family unit and that is detrimental to
society, because whether you like to admit the fact or not, society
is built upon the family unit.


You could argue that marriage involves prostitution, how many
wives offer sex to get a new washing machine, etc.
Or husbands to make sure dinner is on time.

There's always a price to pay

Steve Terry
--
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On 07/01/2010 19:03, Roderick Stewart wrote:
In a.com, Rob wrote:
There we are - agreed to a point, except we'll just have to differ on
the 'CD *will* sound better given the same source'. By what I understand
to be conventional measurement it may well measure better. It's just
that I'm not convinced it *will sound* better.

If you think a recording with some deliberate processing/distortion plus the
inevitable distortions of recording it on a gramophone disk sounds "better"
than exactly the same original recording without these things, then logically
that must mean you like the sound of the distortions, and that therefore your
personal preference is nothing to do with realism.

Rod.

Well, it means nothing of the sort, of course, in much the same way as
an abstract representation can be more 'real' than 'reality'. But I take
your point :-)

An abstract representaion of something made by an artist who understands how we
perceive things can deliberately include things in a work of art to make us
perceive it as more "real" that reality, but that's not what we're talking about
is it? The deliberate distortions of reality that an artist includes in a piece
of work will be carefully chosen to evoke particular responses, but audio or
video distortions are just products of whatever technology is used to present the
work, and generally completely irrelevant to its content.


Absolutely, well put - so what I'm talking about is a coincidental, and
not causal, artefact. No idea what it is, why it should be there or what
makes it 'real'. Just makes the music sound better.

Rob

On 07/01/2010 21:17, Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:38:56 -0000, "David Looser"
wrote:

"Don wrote

Remember how I started into this? It was in response to a comment I
found offensive, namely that of comparison to prostitution in a
denigrating manner. I simply defended what I consider to be a service.


Well I find your trivialisation of the well-documented harm that
prostitution does offensive, deeply offensive.

All sorts of flak followed saying it wasn't because sometimes

Not "sometimes" - usually.

people
are forced into it - blah blah blah.

As I said, trivialisation.

All quite illogical, and that is
what the subsequent stuff has been about.

Not even remotely illogical. Unless you want to argue that any disagreement
with you is necessarily illogical?

You said that, rape apart, no one gets hurt. That is simply untrue,
prostitutes are at a very high risk of being beaten up, even murdered. Or do
you not count that as "getting hurt"?

I used to have a high degree of respect for you Don, as one of the most
knowledgeable poster on u.r.a. But no longer.

David.

d


David, I haven't trivialised anything. All I have said is that you
can't condemn prostitution because some people do it to support a drug
habit or whatever. Some people are accountants to support a drug habit
- does that make accountancy bad or wrong? What I am trying to do (and
evidently failing) is to separate the occupation per se from the
unfortunate situation that some people find themselves in.

As for the getting hurt stuff, no, nobody gets hurt by sex - I stand
by what I said. If someone gets murdered it is because someone
murdered them - not because someone had sex with them.


OK, I think I understand a little better now. There was a good series
(2nd IIRC) of 'The Wire' that dealt with people trafficking if you can't
find/make the time read up on the subject, and it'll make you aware of
some of the 'harms' that can arise from the marketisation of sex.

Once you've figured out what the issues are I can gladly supply some
peer reviewed evidence. There has been a debate about balance in the sex
industry (hate that term), and arguments relating to women empowerment
and a need for greater regulation (health and safety if you like). Even
these acknowledge the extreme harm that happens to prostitutes and others.

On the other hand, evidence please for your 'no harm' notion. You must
have got the idea from somewhere - where?

Rob

"Rob" wrote

Absolutely, well put - so what I'm talking about is a coincidental, and
not causal, artefact. No idea what it is, why it should be there or what
makes it 'real'.

So you like distortion, OK if that's your preference so be it.

Just makes the music sound better.


To you maybe, to me the distortions generated by vinyl recording makes the
music sound worse.

David.