On 08/01/2010 08:56, David Looser wrote:
wrote

Absolutely, well put - so what I'm talking about is a coincidental, and
not causal, artefact. No idea what it is, why it should be there or what
makes it 'real'.

So you like distortion, OK if that's your preference so be it.

Just makes the music sound better.


To you maybe, to me the distortions generated by vinyl recording makes the
music sound worse.


Well, you'd say distortions, I'd say characteristics. It might be just
the distortions/associated harmonics, don't know. All I do know is that,
so far as I can tell, the music quality doesn't necessarily improve when
said distortions are taken away.

So: master tape explanations aside, I don't know why LPs sound better in
some circumstances.

On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:04:51 GMT, Rob
wrote:

So: master tape explanations aside, I don't know why LPs sound better in
some circumstances.

It's along time ago, but when my studio used to make records, the
vinyl recording was a lot different to the master. We had the
opportunity to compare the two directly on the same studio monitors.
Obviously the producers wanted the reproduction to be as near to the
master as possible, but technical limitations (e.g. dynamic range) of
the process of getting the music meant that this was never possible.
So modification of the recording would happen in the vinyl
manufacturing process. There was more leeway on 12inch singles (we
were doing a lot of high energy stuff) because of the greater groove
spacing.

When I heard a digital recording for the first time, I could not tell
the difference between that and the master. So if you listen to a
digital recording you listen to what the producer of the record wants
you to hear, not what some engineer in a cutting shop wants you to
hear.

I'm sure a lot of the perceived difference is psychological and I
suppose one can't rule out the audio equivalent of anti-aliasing. I
never liked the vinyl versions of our masters - it always felt like
there was something in the way.

The problem of like for like comparison can't be dismissed though.
Sometimes we'd be asked for a recording which would go onto a
compilation. If the analogue master was not available (or worse,lost)
we'd make another one from a vinyl record. I'm sure we weren't the
only people to do this.


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"Rob" wrote in message
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On 08/01/2010 08:56, David Looser wrote:
wrote

Absolutely, well put - so what I'm talking about is a coincidental, and
not causal, artefact. No idea what it is, why it should be there or what
makes it 'real'.

So you like distortion, OK if that's your preference so be it.

Just makes the music sound better.


To you maybe, to me the distortions generated by vinyl recording makes
the
music sound worse.


Well, you'd say distortions, I'd say characteristics. It might be just the
distortions/associated harmonics, don't know. All I do know is that, so
far as I can tell, the music quality doesn't necessarily improve when said
distortions are taken away.

So: master tape explanations aside, I don't know why LPs sound better in
some circumstances.

When I first heard CD I was struck by just how much better it sounded than
anything I had ever heard from LPs. Apart from the welcome loss of
"snap,crackle and pop" the high frequencies were free of that 'strained'
quality that LPs always have. The improvement was, IMHO, every bit as
significant as the improvement in going from 78s to LPs had been.

So when people claim that LPs *ever* "sound better" I am at a complete loss
to understand where they are coming from.

David.

On 08/01/2010 10:07, David Looser wrote:
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On 08/01/2010 08:56, David Looser wrote:
wrote

Absolutely, well put - so what I'm talking about is a coincidental, and
not causal, artefact. No idea what it is, why it should be there or what
makes it 'real'.

So you like distortion, OK if that's your preference so be it.

Just makes the music sound better.


To you maybe, to me the distortions generated by vinyl recording makes
the
music sound worse.


Well, you'd say distortions, I'd say characteristics. It might be just the
distortions/associated harmonics, don't know. All I do know is that, so
far as I can tell, the music quality doesn't necessarily improve when said
distortions are taken away.

So: master tape explanations aside, I don't know why LPs sound better in
some circumstances.

When I first heard CD I was struck by just how much better it sounded than
anything I had ever heard from LPs.



And many didn't - he needs to get over it...

"Rob" wrote in message
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On 08/01/2010 08:56, David Looser wrote:
wrote

Absolutely, well put - so what I'm talking about is a
coincidental, and not causal, artefact. No idea what it
is, why it should be there or what makes it 'real'.

So you like distortion, OK if that's your preference so
be it. Just makes the music sound better.


To you maybe, to me the distortions generated by vinyl
recording makes the music sound worse.


Well, you'd say distortions, I'd say characteristics.

All distortions are characteristics, but not all characteristics are
distortions.

Seems like a failure to communicate.

It might be just the distortions/associated harmonics, don't
know.

Speaks to your ability to deny scientific facts.

All I do know is that, so far as I can tell, the
music quality doesn't necessarily improve when said
distortions are taken away.

The trick would be to take just the distortions away.

So: master tape explanations aside, I don't know why LPs
sound better in some circumstances.

If a LP sounds better than the CD then the people who made the CD screwed
up. Pure and simple.

"Keith Garratt" wrote in message


When I first heard CD I was struck by just how much
better it sounded than anything I had ever heard from
LPs.

And many didn't - he needs to get over it...

Actually very few didn't, which is why LPs which used to totally own the
market for recordings, became a tiny niche product.

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


As for the getting hurt stuff, no, nobody gets hurt by
sex - I stand by what I said.

How about this one - a woman has consensual sex with her husband who is
secretly bisexual or heterosexually promiscuous and infects her with AIDS.
She dies an ugly painful death and her children become orphans, perhaps
infected themselves. Happens millions of times per year.

"J G Miller" wrote in message

On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:17:56 +0000, Don Pearce wrote:

As for the getting hurt stuff, no, nobody gets hurt by
sex

Utter nonsense.

The loyal husband/wife is indeed hurt by the adulterous
wife/husband buying sex from a prostitute.

Right.

How about this one - a woman has consensual sex with her husband who is
secretly bisexual or heterosexually promiscuous and infects her with AIDS.
She dies an ugly painful death and her children become orphans, perhaps
infected themselves. Happens millions of times per year.

Prostitution undermines the family unit and that is
detrimental to society, because whether you like to admit
the fact or not, society is built upon the family unit.

Prostitution generally involves promiscuity. If there was no promiscuity,
there would simply be no social diseases - because their epidemiology
depends on promiscuity.

On 08/01/2010 12:42, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith wrote in message


When I first heard CD I was struck by just how much
better it sounded than anything I had ever heard from
LPs.

And many didn't - he needs to get over it...

Actually very few didn't, which is why LPs which used to totally own the
market for recordings, became a tiny niche product.




Hmmm, Alvis cars are/were a tiny niche product also:

http://www.alvisoc.org/


Wouldn't stand a chance against a Toyota today - would they?

;-)

"Steve Terry" wrote in message


You could argue that marriage involves prostitution, how
many wives offer sex to get a new washing machine, etc.

Autobiographical comment?

The idea of a woman offering sex to get a new washing machine suggests that
there are very severe fundamental problems with the marriage.

Or husbands to make sure dinner is on time.

Ditto.

There's always a price to pay

Not so much. Marriage is supposed to be teamwork, which means that if a new
washing machine is required, both spouses agree that obtaining it benefits
both of them.