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Old November 2nd 03, 05:05 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Michael Kiewiet
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Hi all,

I've received a copy of a concert which was not-professionally
recorded. The person was in the audience and while recording, there was
someone next to him/her applauding very load and not at the same time
as everybody else. Because of these handclaps normalisation of the
files causes the right channel to sound a lot louder (handclaps are on
the left channel and the peaks are very high on that channel).

What I would like to do is removing/suppressing these handclaps in the
left channel and then do a normalise again.
How can I do this in a sound editing program? I've tried to do this in
Cooledit Pro, Soundforge and Goldwave but with none of them I've
managed to get a satisfying result (which of course doesn't mean that
I'm blaming these programs, they're great, but I'm a newbie in this
kind of sound-editing).

Can anyone of you please give some tips&tricks on how to do this???

Thanks a lot,

Michael
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Old November 3rd 03, 11:10 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Laurence Payne
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I've received a copy of a concert which was not-professionally
recorded. The person was in the audience and while recording, there was
someone next to him/her applauding very load and not at the same time
as everybody else. Because of these handclaps normalisation of the
files causes the right channel to sound a lot louder (handclaps are on
the left channel and the peaks are very high on that channel).

What I would like to do is removing/suppressing these handclaps in the
left channel and then do a normalise again.
How can I do this in a sound editing program? I've tried to do this in
Cooledit Pro, Soundforge and Goldwave but with none of them I've
managed to get a satisfying result (which of course doesn't mean that
I'm blaming these programs, they're great, but I'm a newbie in this
kind of sound-editing).



Is the guy clapping DURING the music? If not, why worry?
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Old November 3rd 03, 11:10 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Laurence Payne
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Default Improving quality of concert-bootleg


I've received a copy of a concert which was not-professionally
recorded. The person was in the audience and while recording, there was
someone next to him/her applauding very load and not at the same time
as everybody else. Because of these handclaps normalisation of the
files causes the right channel to sound a lot louder (handclaps are on
the left channel and the peaks are very high on that channel).

What I would like to do is removing/suppressing these handclaps in the
left channel and then do a normalise again.
How can I do this in a sound editing program? I've tried to do this in
Cooledit Pro, Soundforge and Goldwave but with none of them I've
managed to get a satisfying result (which of course doesn't mean that
I'm blaming these programs, they're great, but I'm a newbie in this
kind of sound-editing).



Is the guy clapping DURING the music? If not, why worry?
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Old November 3rd 03, 04:48 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Ian Bell
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Laurence Payne wrote:


I've received a copy of a concert which was not-professionally
recorded. The person was in the audience and while recording, there was
someone next to him/her applauding very load and not at the same time
as everybody else. Because of these handclaps normalisation of the
files causes the right channel to sound a lot louder (handclaps are on
the left channel and the peaks are very high on that channel).


What you need to do then is heavily limit the right channel only and then
normalise. Set the threshold of the limiter so it just does not operate on
tthe normal program.

HTH

Ian

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Old November 3rd 03, 04:48 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Ian Bell
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Default Improving quality of concert-bootleg

Laurence Payne wrote:


I've received a copy of a concert which was not-professionally
recorded. The person was in the audience and while recording, there was
someone next to him/her applauding very load and not at the same time
as everybody else. Because of these handclaps normalisation of the
files causes the right channel to sound a lot louder (handclaps are on
the left channel and the peaks are very high on that channel).


What you need to do then is heavily limit the right channel only and then
normalise. Set the threshold of the limiter so it just does not operate on
tthe normal program.

HTH

Ian

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Old November 3rd 03, 05:13 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Michael Kiewiet
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Default Improving quality of concert-bootleg

Laurence Payne wrote:


I've received a copy of a concert which was not-professionally
recorded. The person was in the audience and while recording, there

was someone next to him/her applauding very load and not at the same
time as everybody else. Because of these handclaps normalisation of
the files causes the right channel to sound a lot louder (handclaps
are on the left channel and the peaks are very high on that channel).

What I would like to do is removing/suppressing these handclaps in

the left channel and then do a normalise again.
How can I do this in a sound editing program? I've tried to do this

in Cooledit Pro, Soundforge and Goldwave but with none of them I've
managed to get a satisfying result (which of course doesn't mean that
I'm blaming these programs, they're great, but I'm a newbie in this
kind of sound-editing).



Is the guy clapping DURING the music? If not, why worry?


Yes, DURING the music, that's what it makes so annoying....it almost
seems like he did it on purpose to make sure the recording became a
disaster...or maybe he knew that it was a recording which a lot of
people were interested in and he wanted to become (in)famous...
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Old November 3rd 03, 05:13 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Michael Kiewiet
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Default Improving quality of concert-bootleg

Laurence Payne wrote:


I've received a copy of a concert which was not-professionally
recorded. The person was in the audience and while recording, there

was someone next to him/her applauding very load and not at the same
time as everybody else. Because of these handclaps normalisation of
the files causes the right channel to sound a lot louder (handclaps
are on the left channel and the peaks are very high on that channel).

What I would like to do is removing/suppressing these handclaps in

the left channel and then do a normalise again.
How can I do this in a sound editing program? I've tried to do this

in Cooledit Pro, Soundforge and Goldwave but with none of them I've
managed to get a satisfying result (which of course doesn't mean that
I'm blaming these programs, they're great, but I'm a newbie in this
kind of sound-editing).



Is the guy clapping DURING the music? If not, why worry?


Yes, DURING the music, that's what it makes so annoying....it almost
seems like he did it on purpose to make sure the recording became a
disaster...or maybe he knew that it was a recording which a lot of
people were interested in and he wanted to become (in)famous...
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Old November 8th 03, 11:22 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Laurence Payne
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Default Improving quality of concert-bootleg



Is the guy clapping DURING the music? If not, why worry?


Yes, DURING the music, that's what it makes so annoying....it almost
seems like he did it on purpose to make sure the recording became a
disaster...or maybe he knew that it was a recording which a lot of
people were interested in and he wanted to become (in)famous...


I guess the best you can do is throw away the channel with the
clapping. Any stereo image you may have had will be destroyed by
whatever processing you use in attempting to diminish the clapping.
Settle for one good mono channel.
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Old November 8th 03, 11:22 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Laurence Payne
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Default Improving quality of concert-bootleg



Is the guy clapping DURING the music? If not, why worry?


Yes, DURING the music, that's what it makes so annoying....it almost
seems like he did it on purpose to make sure the recording became a
disaster...or maybe he knew that it was a recording which a lot of
people were interested in and he wanted to become (in)famous...


I guess the best you can do is throw away the channel with the
clapping. Any stereo image you may have had will be destroyed by
whatever processing you use in attempting to diminish the clapping.
Settle for one good mono channel.
 




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