No recreational sax for a fortnight!!
 

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:15:32 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


That fruitiness is the honk. My ISP's FTP isn't working right now or I
would show you another FFT. If you can, do one just of the bit near
the start that looks different between the two. That will show it.


Like this:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...-Spectrum2.jpg


Seems to be tad a spikey at the 500 Hz mark!


That's it - hard to see because it is hiding under the text, but it is
there.


The honkiness (fruitiness if you prefer) has nothing to do with the
mics - mics seldom show differences at those kind of frequencies
anyway - but is truly a room effect.



It's this simple - if the Neumann could comprehensively see off the other
mics I would probably move them on (I don't need more than one) but it might
just be 'eBay itch'....



That is easy - yes it could. It is in another class, but that won't be
revealed recording in that space.

d

No recreational sax for a fortnight!!
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:15:32 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


That fruitiness is the honk. My ISP's FTP isn't working right now or I
would show you another FFT. If you can, do one just of the bit near
the start that looks different between the two. That will show it.


Like this:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...-Spectrum2.jpg


Seems to be tad a spikey at the 500 Hz mark!


That's it - hard to see because it is hiding under the text, but it is
there.



The trace is duplicated underneath without the cursor text - SoundForge
likes to 'dual mono' things. Plus there is a little box bottom left
reporting 'prominent frequency -36 dB at 496 Hz'...





The honkiness (fruitiness if you prefer) has nothing to do with the
mics - mics seldom show differences at those kind of frequencies
anyway - but is truly a room effect.



It's this simple - if the Neumann could comprehensively see off the other
mics I would probably move them on (I don't need more than one) but it
might
just be 'eBay itch'....



That is easy - yes it could. It is in another class, but that won't be
revealed recording in that space.


Those two mics were A = Neumann; B = Oktava again (same as last time).

I'm so tempted to shift the 'spares' so I can concentrate of getting the
best sound out of the one mic....

No recreational sax for a fortnight!!
 

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:51:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

That is easy - yes it could. It is in another class, but that won't be
revealed recording in that space.


Those two mics were A = Neumann; B = Oktava again (same as last time).

I'm so tempted to shift the 'spares' so I can concentrate of getting the
best sound out of the one mic....



Duvets are your best bet. Hang one on the wall behind the mic. The
improvement will be startling.

d

No recreational sax for a fortnight!!
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:51:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

That is easy - yes it could. It is in another class, but that won't be
revealed recording in that space.


Those two mics were A = Neumann; B = Oktava again (same as last time).

I'm so tempted to shift the 'spares' so I can concentrate of getting the
best sound out of the one mic....



Duvets are your best bet. Hang one on the wall behind the mic. The
improvement will be startling.


I've used 'terry towelling' dressing gowns to kill 'room noise' with great
effect before and they are quite easy to drape around. Duvets would be a
considerable faff given where Swim sits to play, which is way out in the
middle of the room.

No recreational sax for a fortnight!!
 

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:00:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:51:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

That is easy - yes it could. It is in another class, but that won't be
revealed recording in that space.


Those two mics were A = Neumann; B = Oktava again (same as last time).

I'm so tempted to shift the 'spares' so I can concentrate of getting the
best sound out of the one mic....



Duvets are your best bet. Hang one on the wall behind the mic. The
improvement will be startling.


I've used 'terry towelling' dressing gowns to kill 'room noise' with great
effect before and they are quite easy to drape around. Duvets would be a
considerable faff given where Swim sits to play, which is way out in the
middle of the room.

This is nothing to do with room noise, but room response, boxiness
etc. And it really takes the thickness of a duvet to work down to low
frequencies.

d

No recreational sax for a fortnight!!
 

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:26:45 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:00:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:51:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

That is easy - yes it could. It is in another class, but that won't be
revealed recording in that space.


Those two mics were A = Neumann; B = Oktava again (same as last time).

I'm so tempted to shift the 'spares' so I can concentrate of getting the
best sound out of the one mic....



Duvets are your best bet. Hang one on the wall behind the mic. The
improvement will be startling.


I've used 'terry towelling' dressing gowns to kill 'room noise' with great
effect before and they are quite easy to drape around. Duvets would be a
considerable faff given where Swim sits to play, which is way out in the
middle of the room.

This is nothing to do with room noise, but room response, boxiness
etc. And it really takes the thickness of a duvet to work down to low
frequencies.

d

FTP is working now. Here is a comparison of the two showing the added
honk caused by the exact location of the Neumann (green trace).

http://www.soundthoughts.co.uk/look/saxmodes.png

d

No recreational sax for a fortnight!!
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:26:45 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:00:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:51:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

That is easy - yes it could. It is in another class, but that won't
be
revealed recording in that space.


Those two mics were A = Neumann; B = Oktava again (same as last time).

I'm so tempted to shift the 'spares' so I can concentrate of getting
the
best sound out of the one mic....



Duvets are your best bet. Hang one on the wall behind the mic. The
improvement will be startling.


I've used 'terry towelling' dressing gowns to kill 'room noise' with
great
effect before and they are quite easy to drape around. Duvets would be a
considerable faff given where Swim sits to play, which is way out in the
middle of the room.

This is nothing to do with room noise, but room response, boxiness
etc. And it really takes the thickness of a duvet to work down to low
frequencies.

d

FTP is working now. Here is a comparison of the two showing the added
honk caused by the exact location of the Neumann (green trace).

http://www.soundthoughts.co.uk/look/saxmodes.png



What's a .png? My machine threw a fit trying to open it!

No recreational sax for a fortnight!!
 

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:08:50 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:26:45 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:00:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:51:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

That is easy - yes it could. It is in another class, but that won't
be
revealed recording in that space.


Those two mics were A = Neumann; B = Oktava again (same as last time).

I'm so tempted to shift the 'spares' so I can concentrate of getting
the
best sound out of the one mic....



Duvets are your best bet. Hang one on the wall behind the mic. The
improvement will be startling.


I've used 'terry towelling' dressing gowns to kill 'room noise' with
great
effect before and they are quite easy to drape around. Duvets would be a
considerable faff given where Swim sits to play, which is way out in the
middle of the room.

This is nothing to do with room noise, but room response, boxiness
etc. And it really takes the thickness of a duvet to work down to low
frequencies.

d

FTP is working now. Here is a comparison of the two showing the added
honk caused by the exact location of the Neumann (green trace).

http://www.soundthoughts.co.uk/look/saxmodes.png



What's a .png? My machine threw a fit trying to open it!



Portable Network Graphics - pretty much standard now. Try a gif

http://www.soundthoughts.co.uk/look/saxmodes.gif

d

No recreational sax for a fortnight!!
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:08:50 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:26:45 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:00:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:51:55 -0000, "Keith G"

wrote:

That is easy - yes it could. It is in another class, but that won't
be
revealed recording in that space.


Those two mics were A = Neumann; B = Oktava again (same as last
time).

I'm so tempted to shift the 'spares' so I can concentrate of getting
the
best sound out of the one mic....



Duvets are your best bet. Hang one on the wall behind the mic. The
improvement will be startling.


I've used 'terry towelling' dressing gowns to kill 'room noise' with
great
effect before and they are quite easy to drape around. Duvets would be
a
considerable faff given where Swim sits to play, which is way out in
the
middle of the room.

This is nothing to do with room noise, but room response, boxiness
etc. And it really takes the thickness of a duvet to work down to low
frequencies.

d

FTP is working now. Here is a comparison of the two showing the added
honk caused by the exact location of the Neumann (green trace).

http://www.soundthoughts.co.uk/look/saxmodes.png



What's a .png? My machine threw a fit trying to open it!



Portable Network Graphics - pretty much standard now. Try a gif

http://www.soundthoughts.co.uk/look/saxmodes.gif



OK, I'm not one to look a hoarse mouth in the gif....

That looks pretty much the same as my trace, albeit a bit more scary due to
the (logarithmic?) scale, colours and magnitude!

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...-Spectrum2.jpg


I've no idea much how to manipulate this sort of data and it's not something
I desperately need to know, but it'll be interesting to try and conquer the
noise/boom/nodes/modes or whatever. We'll see....

......meantime it's **vinyl time** here (with the place to myself) - Canned
Heat on a fairly high wick just now was a very refreshing breath of 60s
fresh air!! (Swim works at home 80-90% of the time now, so I don't get my
daytime vinyl fixes like I used to!)

Beach Boys next - just for ****s and giggles!!

:-)

No recreational sax for a fortnight!!
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
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http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...0Webster-A.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...0Webster-B.wav


(Key noise isn't an issue - more noticeable on one than the other simply
because two mic stands can't occupy the same space!)

It doesn't matter anyway, unless it's intrusive.

Why Ben Webster? That's for Iain's benfit - see (hear) from about 12
seconds in! :-)

Fwe Fwe Fwe - I like it:)

One can hear it's a classical clarinet player on
saxophone. Much better than a saxophone player
on classical clarinet:-)

As you can't do any recording now for a couple
of weeks, you could take up the alto yourself.

It's not too difficult, it was invented by a Belgian:-)

But seriously, it's a very tactile and intuitive instrument.

First of all, put your thumb in your mouth.
Notice how the lower lip covers the bottom
teeth? Well that's the saxophone embouchure.

Have a go:-)

Try a note with all fingers open, and
just the thumb of the left hand on the black
thumb pad and the right thumb under the hook.

Blow a steady note - that's written C#
Then, as they say, "All you have to do
is blow on the sharp end, and wiggle your fingers":-)

When your good lady gets back, and demands the
return of her alto, you will have a perfect excuse to
do a bit on e-Bay buy yourself a tenor saxophone:-))

Iain