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OK then, You Tube it is....???



 
 
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Old July 15th 10, 06:15 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G[_2_]
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Default OK then, You Tube it is....???

Lurking courtesy of Eternal Sunshine.org, I see the vinyl storm blow out
only to reveal an odd little You Tube mention which prompts me to post a
poser. (Wot new?)

I have been posting some crappy little vids to You Tube by way of practice
with the ultimate aim of posting clips of Swim Bo's efforts with her
newly-acquired alto saxophone - prompted and inspired, I might add, by
Iain's sterling progress on the tenor!

Anyway, I record this on either my Neumann or Samson USB (no idea now):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/AhSoPure.wav


And use it to create this in Windows Movie Maker:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Ducks.wmv (not small: 50 Meg)


So far, so good - sounds fairly OK to my 'cloth ears'?

(Ignore the video, I'm short of decent footage from my even more recently
acquired pocket digital video camera and am using anything about the right
length in preference to still shots which stink IMO after 20 seconds or so!)


And then upload it to You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uZxv...eature=channel


Where it has been virtually scrambled!

Anyone got any clues as to where I'm going wrong? I mean how do you get the
fab 'HD' sound I'm hearing on some of these clips - I'm uploading at 'HD'
(720) levels...??

Baffled, but still *link rich* you will notice....

;-)




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Old July 17th 10, 12:48 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G[_2_]
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"Keith G" wrote


And then upload it to You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uZxv...eature=channel


Where it has been virtually scrambled!

Anyone got any clues as to where I'm going wrong? I mean how do you get
the fab 'HD' sound I'm hearing on some of these clips - I'm uploading at
'HD' (720) levels...??

Baffled, but still *link rich* you will notice....





Not exactly bowled over by any response here but information is starting to
come in offlist:

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...a2f80d18&hl=en

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...46b30ffa&hl=en

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...240f80be&hl=en


Looking awfully like I've got to try and get smart enough to juggle
bitrates....



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Old July 18th 10, 04:24 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote


And then upload it to You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uZxv...eature=channel


Where it has been virtually scrambled!


No it hasn't been scrambled, it plays back fine.
If you're having problems with the audio then it is at your end,
probably just requires you update Adobe Flash player.
Or update your sound card drivers.

Anyone got any clues as to where I'm going wrong? I mean how do you get
the fab 'HD' sound I'm hearing on some of these clips - I'm uploading at
'HD' (720) levels...??


HD and "720" refers to image resolution. Not to the audio.

Baffled, but still *link rich* you will notice....





Not exactly bowled over by any response here but information is starting
to come in offlist:

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...a2f80d18&hl=en

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...46b30ffa&hl=en

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...240f80be&hl=en


Looking awfully like I've got to try and get smart enough to juggle
bitrates....


Forget all that codswallop, format C drive.


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Old July 18th 10, 07:40 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G[_2_]
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"Fed Up Lurker" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote


And then upload it to You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uZxv...eature=channel


Where it has been virtually scrambled!


No it hasn't been scrambled, it plays back fine.
If you're having problems with the audio then it is at your end,
probably just requires you update Adobe Flash player.
Or update your sound card drivers.

Anyone got any clues as to where I'm going wrong? I mean how do you get
the fab 'HD' sound I'm hearing on some of these clips - I'm uploading at
'HD' (720) levels...??


HD and "720" refers to image resolution. Not to the audio.




Not entirely - drop 'hd audio' into YT for a search.

Try this one (for instance):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFYRyI8yxOE


Where I suspect the bitrates of anything are way short of 320...???





Baffled, but still *link rich* you will notice....





Not exactly bowled over by any response here but information is starting
to come in offlist:

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...a2f80d18&hl=en

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...46b30ffa&hl=en

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...240f80be&hl=en


Looking awfully like I've got to try and get smart enough to juggle
bitrates....


Forget all that codswallop,



I already have - typical waster of time forum fodder: all round the houses
only end up back where you started and none the wiser....



format C drive.



Did that. It didn't solve it....

Silly thing is one of my clips with a loopy amount of reverb on seems to
have got through relatively unscathed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU4_k...eature=channel


??

Unless I'm not hearing summat?


Still baffled, but still *link rich* you will notice....




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Old July 18th 10, 07:50 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Fed Up Lurker" wrote

HD and "720" refers to image resolution. Not to the audio.




Not entirely - drop 'hd audio' into YT for a search.

Try this one (for instance):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFYRyI8yxOE



Listen to that compression! (dynamic, not bitrate). Nothing remotely "HD"
about that clip :-(

This use of the term "HD" to refer to audio is a new and unwelcome
phenomenon, a BBB (Bull**** Baffles Brains) ploy on the part of companies
who should know better. It seems to refer to the use of lossless coding, but
wouldn't it be so much more accurate (and informative) to say "lossless"
rather than "HD"?

"720", of course, is a reference to the pixel height of the image, and very
clearly bugger-all to do with the audio.

David.


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Old July 18th 10, 08:16 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G[_2_]
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Fed Up Lurker" wrote

HD and "720" refers to image resolution. Not to the audio.




Not entirely - drop 'hd audio' into YT for a search.

Try this one (for instance):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFYRyI8yxOE



Listen to that compression! (dynamic, not bitrate). Nothing remotely "HD"
about that clip :-(

This use of the term "HD" to refer to audio is a new and unwelcome
phenomenon, a BBB (Bull**** Baffles Brains) ploy on the part of companies
who should know better.



I know. See below.



It seems to refer to the use of lossless coding, but
wouldn't it be so much more accurate (and informative) to say "lossless"
rather than "HD"?

"720", of course, is a reference to the pixel height of the image, and
very clearly bugger-all to do with the audio.

David.




Calm down, dear....

I'm fully aware of the 'HD' definitions for image sizes/pixel count and
have/had been wondering if the video quality (pixel count) is in some way
connected to the audio quality - BY THE YOU TUBE SETUP, not by me or anyone
else in this instance...OK?? The 380 video claiming (and sounding) to have
'HD Audio' I linked above appears to infer that you can have 'HD Audio' (in
YT terms) on an SD video, so then perhaps it doesn't...

FYI, I have been working with '2K' (1920 x 1080) movie media for probably 18
months or more and have progressed through 480, 576, 720 'HD' and 1080
'Fully HD' digital projectors in my own home. But that's as far as I will
go - have a read of this to catch me up before you continue with your usual
trick of trying to pounce on erroneously perceived errors:

http://hometheaterreview.com/five-ti...nema-standard/


If 2K is 'Fully HD' WTF is 4K? - 'Overstuffed HD'...???

Oh, and before anyone else starts of the notion of 'HD Audio' not being
better than uncompressed LPCM, let them do their own Googling to see who
exactly sets what bitrate as 'HD' and where (we know why) they do it....

Rock on....

;-)



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Old July 18th 10, 09:21 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Default OK then, You Tube it is....???

Keith G said...

Where I suspect the bitrates of anything are way short of 320...???


Have you tried Vimeo instead of utoob?

http://vimeo.com/12630017

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Old July 18th 10, 10:02 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G[_2_]
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"UnsteadyKen" wrote in message
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Keith G said...

Where I suspect the bitrates of anything are way short of 320...???


Have you tried Vimeo instead of utoob?

http://vimeo.com/12630017



Thanks for that, Ken - asitappens I've been putting off looking at Vimeo
despite my camera software (ArcSoft MediaImpressions For Kodak - comes on
the camera, infects your computer when you hook it up) has instant 'ready to
go' uploaders to Vimeo, as well as You Tube (and Facebook and Twitter) and I
really wanted to get the YT to work, but you have made me wonder now!

On this machine that vid stuuttered a bit, but the audio was fine. It
actually was a good example of the sort of thing I want to do - a dopey vid
fronting a good audio clip like this, but with much better sound quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Btn...eature=channel


You know - just a *hint* of Federico Fellini....

;-)





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Old July 18th 10, 10:41 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Fed Up Lurker" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote


And then upload it to You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uZxv...eature=channel


Where it has been virtually scrambled!


No it hasn't been scrambled, it plays back fine.
If you're having problems with the audio then it is at your end,
probably just requires you update Adobe Flash player.
Or update your sound card drivers.

Anyone got any clues as to where I'm going wrong? I mean how do you get
the fab 'HD' sound I'm hearing on some of these clips - I'm uploading
at 'HD' (720) levels...??


HD and "720" refers to image resolution. Not to the audio.




Not entirely - drop 'hd audio' into YT for a search.


I didn't bother conducting that search....

Try this one (for instance):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFYRyI8yxOE


I didn't bother clicking on that link....


Where I suspect the bitrates of anything are way short of 320...???


"320" is indeed a bitrate, of what you're referring to is unknown?
In all audio encoding software is a whole heap of factors to discern
the "supposed" end result quality - bandwidth dictated by sampling rates-
44.1/ 48/96/192 etc, then there is the number of binary digits, 16/24 etc.
You're using the limited WMM to edit/compose from your source recording,
I am not aware of WMM versatility with anything that could be discerned
as High Definition.
In your case there is unknown factors, such as the format/file type of
your source recordings? WMM is severely restricted with what formats
it can work with, but none can be termed "HD".
I suspect you are using WMM to compose a WMV, the soundtrack will
be either a WAV or a WMA, all perfectly acceptable but certainly not
what could be termed "HD".
You are then uploading the WMV to YT, your upload undergoes a process
of encoding to a .flv for streaming.
What exactly is it you feel is missing in the streaming YT version of
your uploaded clip?
You could try more versatile software then WMM to compose your clip,
this is a very obvious one, but there are others. All these are freeware,
all are more capable then WMM, you can then convert your source recording
to any format/file type at any bandwidth you choose, as many binary digits
as you desire and at a bitrate you perceive to be sooper dooper!
It will still undergo YT's .flv compression.
http://www.koyotesoft.com/indexEn.html



,snipped
Unless I'm not hearing summat?


Still baffled, but still *link rich* you will notice....


You must only read links that originated from caps locked nutters
who spend the day shouting at lamp posts.
Now format your C drive.








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Old July 18th 10, 10:57 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Try this one (for instance):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFYRyI8yxOE



I know I shouldn't be baited, but I just clicked on that link.
It is dire!
You've based your woes on an uploader including in the title
the meaningless and inaccurate phrase: (HD 320 Audio)

There is nothing "HD" in that clip of which the uploader was
inferring the pic of a red mouses head was "HD" and the audio
was at a compression rate of 320, and compression is all too
obvious with a peaked bass in region 50hz to 100hz and a
dramatic mid range roll off, the track is crap also.



 




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