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"Iain Churches" wrote

If it comes down to "the fashion item to have" then turntables are
a much stronger contender.

Really? I *very* much doubt that turntables will ever be a "fashion
item"
again.

Urban Outfitters is a semi-fashionable store

What does "semi-fashionable" mean?

Not "high fashion". It's meant to be hip and has mock-vintage style
goods.

You need to be careful with the word "fashion" here. The term "high-fashion"
comes from the world of clothing, it cannot be used in any other context. I
think what you are trying to suggest is that the goods this store sells have
a cult following.

No, I don't; yes, it can; and under your definition anything fashionable
has a cult following.

that sells clothes,
furnishings, etc to college students in the US. I was surprised to find
a small section of the shop given over to such 'obsolete' items as
Holga
cameras, cheap turntables and high quality lps.

What's a "Holga" camera?

It's a cheap film camera that yields distorted but pleasing photos.

Must be an American thing.

Chinese.

Come to that, what is a "high quality" LP?

High priced, 180 gram, expensive packaging (gatefolds, etc).

Ah, I wondered whether you meant the content was "high quality". I assume
that these LPs are new, not classic.

New lps, mostly 'classic' titles. The quality of the lps was odd
considering the quality of the turntables on which one would presumably
play them.

There are things that have a cult following, that doesn't make them
"fashionable".

In this case, lps and turntables are part of the overall hipster,
faux-vintage style.

Like I said, a cult following.

Or, "Fashion, a general term for a currently popular style or practice,
especially in clothing, foot wear or accessories."

Stephen

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If it comes down to "the fashion item to have" then turntables are
a much stronger contender.

Really? I *very* much doubt that turntables will ever be a "fashion item"
again.

USB turntables seem to be quite a "hot" line.

More "warm" than "hot" I'd say :-)

A whole generation has missed out
on vinyl, which, for many, holds a deep fascination.

Clearly it does for you.

Not really.

That's not the impression I get from reading your posts here ;-)

I was there the first time round, and not just as a
consumer:-) I know just how hard it is to master a disc as
opposed to a CD, and the problems involved in making a
recording with delays, and DT that can be cut to disk
without problems.

I'm also fascinated by obsolete audio technolgy, particularly those used
with pictures, such as the 4-track magnetic striped system used with 35mm
film from 1953 to the late 1970s. Far more fascinating than mere vinyl,
IMO
:-).

Yes you are right. But your 35mm mag stripe material is not
available to most people, as are LPs are from the charity
shop, and a 35mm MWA( Albrecht) recorder/reproducer
is pretty hard to find too:-)


It's precisely the inaccessibility of these technologies that makes them
fascinating IMO. Apart from 4-track "CinemaScope" mag stereo I'm also
interested in the elaborate "Fantasound" system used to record and reproduce
the soundtrack of Fantasia, for which no original recordings or sound prints
survive (the oldest surviving version of the Fantasia soundtrack is a 1955
vintage magnetic film copy). And from another technology I'm also fascinated
by the pre-war Baird 240-line TV system used on alternate weeks at Ally
Pally from Sept 1936 to Feb 1937. For which not only does no hardware
survive, but most of the documentation was destroyed in the Crystal Palace
fire of 1936.

But I accept that I'm unusual in finding this stuff interesting. Most
people, especially young people IME, couldn't care less about vintage
audio-video technology. And I am far from convinced that "many" people are
fascinated by vinyl.


David.

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Like I said, a cult following.

Or, "Fashion, a general term for a currently popular style or practice,
especially in clothing, foot wear or accessories."


Indeed, note the phrase "currently popular". That a shop that appeals to a
narrow customer base sells vinyl does not mean that vinyl is "currently
popular".

David.

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Like I said, a cult following.

Or, "Fashion, a general term for a currently popular style or practice,
especially in clothing, foot wear or accessories."


Indeed, note the phrase "currently popular". That a shop that appeals to a
narrow customer base sells vinyl does not mean that vinyl is "currently
popular".

That wasn't the question. Lps are part of hipster fashion. You don't see
haute couture on the street nearly as often as hipster wear but they're
both 'fashion.'

Stephen

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It's precisely the inaccessibility of these technologies that makes them
fascinating IMO. Apart from 4-track "CinemaScope" mag stereo I'm also
interested in the elaborate "Fantasound" system used to record and
reproduce the soundtrack of Fantasia, for which no original recordings
or sound prints survive (the oldest surviving version of the Fantasia
soundtrack is a 1955 vintage magnetic film copy).

That is another classic example of the perils of our current copyright
situation. That something we can now regard as a 'work of art' or of very
great interest to later generations has been 'lost' or 'degraded' due to
the lack of care of those who owned the copyright.

The film studios are a nice case of this for film after film.

Witness also the way the BBC threw out or wiped so much "because no-one
would ever want to hear it again". Only now to be cursed for doing so.

One of the advantages of 'home recordings' and people making copies in
other formats is that it helps protect against such careless losses.

Note also the interesting recent example where hundreds of old 'Paul
Temple' radio programmes have been re-found. The BBC had no idea these
still existed - but in Australia they'd known they had copies all along.
:-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Like I said, a cult following.

Or, "Fashion, a general term for a currently popular style or practice,
especially in clothing, foot wear or accessories."


Indeed, note the phrase "currently popular". That a shop that appeals to
a
narrow customer base sells vinyl does not mean that vinyl is "currently
popular".

That wasn't the question.

It was.

Lps are part of hipster fashion.

Are they? You have stated that a shop that sells "hipster fashion"also sells
LPs. But that doesn't necessarily mean that LPs are *part* of that fashion.
Also the origanal claim was that turntables would become "fashionable",
nothing there about "hipster fashion" (whatever that is, as far as I was
aware the word "hipster" refered to a style of jeans). Being fashionable
amongst a narrow group doesn't equal "being fashionable".

David.

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Like I said, a cult following.

Or, "Fashion, a general term for a currently popular style or practice,
especially in clothing, foot wear or accessories."


Indeed, note the phrase "currently popular". That a shop that appeals to
a
narrow customer base sells vinyl does not mean that vinyl is "currently
popular".

That wasn't the question.

It was.

I was quibbling about your contention that turntables wouldn't be part
of fashion again

Lps are part of hipster fashion.

Are they? You have stated that a shop that sells "hipster fashion"also sells
LPs. But that doesn't necessarily mean that LPs are *part* of that fashion.
Also the origanal claim was that turntables would become "fashionable",
nothing there about "hipster fashion" (whatever that is, as far as I was
aware the word "hipster" refered to a style of jeans). Being fashionable
amongst a narrow group doesn't equal "being fashionable".

Your quibbles are logically valid but factually incorrect, except for
the proposition that "being fashionable" doesn't equal "being
fashionable" because of an arbitrarily exclusion.

http://www.timeout.com/london/around..._London_essent
ials.html

"When they¹re not selling their guitars to buy turntables, they¹re
selling their turntables to buy guitars * EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline
soldiers in the culture war. Look out for their American Apparel camo at
all the area¹s free gigs, basement aftershows, secret raves and
pose-friendly cafés."

Stephen

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"When they¹re not selling their guitars to buy turntables, they¹re
selling their turntables to buy guitars * EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline
soldiers in the culture war.


This "culture war" is news to me, can you please expand a little?

Iain

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A whole generation has missed out
on vinyl, which, for many, holds a deep fascination.

Clearly it does for you.

Not really (snip)

That's not the impression I get from reading your posts here ;-)

LOL:-) Well, I have a large collection of both
vinyl and CD but I cannot resist "putting a spanner
in thew works" now and again on anti-vinyl groups
such as this one. It's fun to see the man from Detroit
turn apoplectic, and start to rant and scream about
"vinyl bigots", etc etc:-)

I look after my LP record collection with care, and clean the
surfaces often. I have two high-grade turntables of my own,
EMT948 and 401/SME3012/V15III and these give me
very good results indeed. Due to the huge amount of music
not available on CD, I cannot possibly even consider life
without a turntable.

Yes you are right. But your 35mm mag stripe material is not
available to most people, as are LPs are from the charity
shop, and a 35mm MWA( Albrecht) recorder/reproducer
is pretty hard to find too:-)


It's precisely the inaccessibility of these technologies that makes them
fascinating IMO. Apart from 4-track "CinemaScope" mag stereo I'm also
interested in the elaborate "Fantasound" system used to record and
reproduce the soundtrack of Fantasia, for which no original recordings or
sound prints survive (the oldest surviving version of the Fantasia
soundtrack is a 1955 vintage magnetic film copy).

You seem, to share a parallel interest with a former colleague
of mine, now working as an AD in TV, who is very knowledgeable
on the subject of Fantasia from both the technical and the artistic angle.

And from another technology I'm also fascinated by the pre-war Baird
240-line TV system used on alternate weeks at Ally Pally from Sept 1936 to
Feb 1937. For which not only does no hardware survive, but most of the
documentation was destroyed in the Crystal Palace fire of 1936.

Do you know people with a similar interest? Are there discussion
groups for such subjects? It an important part of the British
broadcasting heritage.

But I accept that I'm unusual in finding this stuff interesting.

Probably not as unusual as you may think. Even in a smallish
city like HKI I know two people who have 16mm projectors
at home, in purpose-built rooms. One of them is a great
Bogart buff, the other is fascinated with Hitchcock. Both have
a huge collection of films. Hitchcock's composer, Bernard
Hermann was one of my tutors while I was in the UK, so
I watch these films with interest.

Most people, especially young people IME, couldn't care less about vintage
audio-video technology. And I am far from convinced that "many" people are
fascinated by vinyl.

I come into contact with large numbers of young musicians.
There is a great deal of interest in British popular music of
the 1960s. These young players scoured the second hand
shops looking for music in which they are interested. It didn't
take them long to get hooked on vinyl. I am on the committee
of a "gramophone society". We have recently agreed to make
our premises and equipment available to a group of you music
students who want to listen to their music on the best possible
equipment available to them. I find this trend both interesting
and encouraging.

It's a sunny but "crisp" morning- -24.5C. I don't think I shall
be taking lunch in the garden. I have lit a roaring log fire -
no gig till this evening:-)

Iain

"MiNe 109" wrote

Your quibbles are logically valid but factually incorrect, except for
the proposition that "being fashionable" doesn't equal "being
fashionable" because of an arbitrarily exclusion.


Vague waffle such as that does not advance your argument one iota. You will
have to explain where the "factual inaccuracies" are and where this
"arbitrarily exclusion" is to be found

http://www.timeout.com/london/around..._London_essent
ials.html

"When they¹re not selling their guitars to buy turntables, they¹re
selling their turntables to buy guitars * EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline
soldiers in the culture war. Look out for their American Apparel camo at
all the area¹s free gigs, basement aftershows, secret raves and
pose-friendly cafés."


Yet more vague waffle. what is "EaLo¹s hipsters are frontline soldiers in
the culture war" supposed to mean?

David.