"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message


I don't think it defies the laws of physics, after all the LP does
clearly make a physical change to the sound. The argument from the vinyl
brigade is that this change makes the sound "better". And because a CDR
copy does not change the sound this "betterness" is retained in the
copy.


Loosely correct ('scuse the pun) but see my reply to DP elsewhere -
*knowing* it's a CDR detracts somewhat from the listening experience for
me and it simply becomes a better than usual-sounding CD.

So in fact you are agreeing with me completely,


I don't think so.


it's what you *know*, rather
than what you *hear*, that makes the difference.


What you *know* impinges heavily on the situation - always does. Have you
heard of the blindfolded subject eating pieces of apple and raw potato
without knowing which was which?

http://www.sciencekids.co.nz/experim...melltaste.html


I'm no more able to beat that bit of simple psychology than the next guy -
and that includes you.

Do you *know* the sound is better when you know it's a CD being played?



Label it how you like but the overall outcome is the more appealing
sound.

But as you've already acknowledged, it's not the "sound" that makes it
"more appealing", but the knowledge of what you know (or think) you are
listening to.


I suppose you could say it's the whole experience - how you are drawn in
rather than any single aspect of the procedure and *knowing* what you are
playing is part of that, but ask yourself this: if LPs really sounded that
much worse than a CD, don't you think they would have really died out years
ago? (Like I wouldn't have any of them, for starters! ;-)


This is not right. No-one in his right mind would put up with the
palaver, effort and expense of vinyl if they didn't think the improvement
in the end result (ie the sound) was worthwhile.

Oh but it is. You *like* "the palaver, effort and expense of vinyl",
you've told us so here often enough.


Not quite right (as usual). What I have frequently said here is that vinyl
is not for everyone.



Keith has made it very clear from his posts that this
is the real "turn-on" for him.


'Turn on' is a little strong (but then you knew that ;-) for someone who
is 64 tomorrow: certainly, the physical aspects of vinyl-playing add very
much to the owning/playing/listening experience -

See?, you've said it again!


Do stop trying to twist the situation. The main reason I play LPs (as I am
right now) is because I prefer the *sound* - other aspects like the
handling, sleeve notes/artwork etc are a *bonus*.

I suppose the material available on vinyl is another plus...??




I often wonder what Elvis sounded like on 78s...??

Buy an Elvis 78 and find out :-)


I've already dropped the hint and said it's my birthday tomorrow - you buy
me one! :-)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
I often wonder what Elvis sounded like on 78s...??

Generally rather better than the 45s of the same age, if you had decent
playback equipment.



Got the deck for it but no suitable needle.

Although there's a well-travelled G800 but tidy all mounted up, ready to go
which would probably do...??

In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
I often wonder what Elvis sounded like on 78s...??

Generally rather better than the 45s of the same age, if you had decent
playback equipment.



Got the deck for it but no suitable needle.

Although there's a well-travelled G800 but tidy all mounted up, ready to
go which would probably do...??

Think there were 78 stylus for the G800. A much better cart. than the spec
suggest if you tweak the loading to suit.

--
*I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
I often wonder what Elvis sounded like on 78s...??

Generally rather better than the 45s of the same age, if you had decent
playback equipment.



Got the deck for it but no suitable needle.

Although there's a well-travelled G800 but tidy all mounted up, ready to
go which would probably do...??

Think there were 78 stylus for the G800. A much better cart. than the spec
suggest if you tweak the loading to suit.


I think I'd better hang on to see if DL's going to treat me yet?

:-)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
I often wonder what Elvis sounded like on 78s...??

Generally rather better than the 45s of the same age, if you had decent
playback equipment.



Got the deck for it but no suitable needle.

Although there's a well-travelled G800 but tidy all mounted up, ready to
go which would probably do...??

Think there were 78 stylus for the G800. A much better cart. than the spec
suggest if you tweak the loading to suit.



Actually, it looks like I've got two of 'em in my spare carts box:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/cartbox.jpg

- one mounted (centre) and one loose (1 o'clock).


Pretty good sound for a 'cheap but worthy' cart, I seem to recall.

"Keith G" wrote

it's what you *know*, rather
than what you *hear*, that makes the difference.


What you *know* impinges heavily on the situation - always does.

Indeed, as I've been saying for years.


I'm no more able to beat that bit of simple psychology than the next guy -
and that includes you.

Absolutely.

Do you *know* the sound is better when you know it's a CD being played?

Well I know its free of clicks and pops and surface noise.



Oh but it is. You *like* "the palaver, effort and expense of vinyl",
you've told us so here often enough.


Not quite right (as usual). What I have frequently said here is that vinyl
is not for everyone.

Yes, but what you have also frequently said is that you like all the "the
palaver, effort and expense of vinyl".


Do stop trying to twist the situation.

I'm not trying to twist anything, I never do.

The main reason I play LPs (as I am
right now) is because I prefer the *sound*

Hmm... I'd put quite a bit of money on you (or any other vinyl fan) not
being able to distinguish a good clean LP from a properly mastered CD of the
same master in a blind listening test. And no, I'm not saying that I
necessarily could either. Leaving aside the dreadful quality of so many '70s
vintage pressings, my main objection to LPs has always been "the palaver,
effort and expense". A decently pressed LP may not sound that much worse,
but it certainly wouldn't sound any better.

- other aspects like the
handling, sleeve notes/artwork etc are a *bonus*.

That really is not the impression I get from reading your posts.


I suppose the material available on vinyl is another plus...??




I often wonder what Elvis sounded like on 78s...??

Buy an Elvis 78 and find out :-)


I've already dropped the hint and said it's my birthday tomorrow - you buy
me one! :-)

And its my birthday the day after, what are you going to buy me?

David.

"Keith G" wrote


I think I'd better hang on to see if DL's going to treat me yet?

Happy Birthday Keith :-)

David.

"Keith G" wrote in message ...
Actually, it looks like I've got two of 'em in my spare carts box:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/cartbox.jpg

What's your main turntable?
A Lenco?

D

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote


I think I'd better hang on to see if DL's going to treat me yet?

Happy Birthday Keith :-)


Thank you, David! :-)

"David" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message ...
Actually, it looks like I've got two of 'em in my spare carts box:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/cartbox.jpg

What's your main turntable?
A Lenco?


Indeed it is - a heavily replinthed GL72.