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Jim Lesurf[_2_] July 31st 15 10:14 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
I've just been going though the process of having one of my old Armstrong
626 recievers serviced/modified by Mike Solomons of London Sound. I
actually sent him both the examples I owned and he then worked on the one
judged the 'best' for service and improvement.

I understand from the courier 'tracking' that it should arrive soon. All
being well, it is promised today. So I have the relevant home-made
adaptors, etc, and eagery await delivery so I can give it a go. :-)

Feel anxious in case the carriers manage to damage it on the last leg of
its trip away from me.

OK, the 626 - even with mods - isn't the technical peak of audio
perfection. But they do look nice and can sound good. Still feel it is a
shame no-one makes anything that looks like them today. But no doubt they'd
fail all the modern 'elf and safty' rules. Wooden lid that is easily
removed without tools. Plastic tray lower section, similar. etc.

Fingers crossed.

Jim

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David B July 31st 15 10:27 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
If you like that style, I have an old A&R Cambridge T21 Tuner somewhere.
I'll be moving in a months time so if it turns up do you want it?
It was working the last time I used it, many fortnights ago.

--
David B
http://waterfalls.me.uk


Jim Lesurf[_2_] July 31st 15 11:00 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
In article , David B
wrote:
If you like that style, I have an old A&R Cambridge T21 Tuner somewhere.
I'll be moving in a months time so if it turns up do you want it? It
was working the last time I used it, many fortnights ago.


Thanks, but no. :-) Agree about the style. However to me the 600 range
look is pretty special.

One of the reasons I like the 626 is that I used to work for Armstrong, and
the set in question previously was owned by Ted Rule. He designed the
electronics and I developed it a bit later on. So its a nice slice of my
personal history as well as looking/sounding good.

Its an unusual example because it now has a mix of mods added by Ted, then
me, and now also Mike!

I did dither about which set to upgrade as the other set is a later model.
But Mike was able to update the older one anyway.

FWIW I also have a working Yamaha 7000 FM tuner which has a nice retro
style as well as being a great tuner. However in practice the bulk of my
radio listening tend to be via a more modern means. I now fetch BBC iplayer
files using get_iplayer than then play them via a USB DAC into the amp.

For a few years I've been using a modern 'bland silver box' amp (Cambridge
Audio) in the dining room/office because the 626's needed TLC. Now I hope
to replace that with the 626 again. :-)

Used with a pair of Spendor LS3/5a speaker and fed via a DAC Magic.
Although for live radio I'll probably now use the 626's tuner, in practice
I tend to prefer the flexibility from get_iplayer and the iplayer site.
Curious blend of old and new...

Jim

--
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html


RJH[_4_] August 1st 15 09:34 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
On 31/07/2015 11:14, Jim Lesurf wrote:
I've just been going though the process of having one of my old Armstrong
626 recievers serviced/modified by Mike Solomons of London Sound. I
actually sent him both the examples I owned and he then worked on the one
judged the 'best' for service and improvement.

I understand from the courier 'tracking' that it should arrive soon. All
being well, it is promised today. So I have the relevant home-made
adaptors, etc, and eagery await delivery so I can give it a go. :-)

Feel anxious in case the carriers manage to damage it on the last leg of
its trip away from me.

OK, the 626 - even with mods - isn't the technical peak of audio
perfection. But they do look nice and can sound good. Still feel it is a
shame no-one makes anything that looks like them today. But no doubt they'd
fail all the modern 'elf and safty' rules. Wooden lid that is easily
removed without tools. Plastic tray lower section, similar. etc.

Fingers crossed.


I have one of those - very nice too, and still works perfectly. It
hasn't been in daily use for some time now, though.The only slightly
annoying thing for me is the DIN speaker sockets.

What are the mods you're having done?

--
Cheers, Rob

Jim Lesurf[_2_] August 1st 15 11:44 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
In article , RJH
wrote:
On 31/07/2015 11:14, Jim Lesurf wrote:



I have one of those - very nice too, and still works perfectly. It
hasn't been in daily use for some time now, though.The only slightly
annoying thing for me is the DIN speaker sockets.


What are the mods you're having done?


I plan to write something about this in detail for my website. However I
should say up front that Mike was happy to give me full details of the mods
he makes *on condition* that I don't disclose all the details because they
are his ideas and his bread and butter. That seems fair enough to me, so I
agreed happily. Journalists have to respect their sources, particularly
when they are very helpful.

All that said...

The standard changes are simply to restore and repair. e.g. what I sent to
him had meters that didn't work properly and lamps that had failed. Some
switches/sockets were intermittent. All the predictable signs of a long
life of use for such old kit.

The returned set I now have here has all the meters, lights, etc, working
'as new'. (If I can manage I'll take some photos for when I write about
this, but I'm a lousy photographer.)

He also checked things like the IF/RF alignments, but since the set had
been owned by Ted Rule, then me, found these were spot on OK.

I think he also installed new heatsink compound, etc, for the output
devices to ensure the thermal sinking. And old electrolytics may get
replaced.

Essentially where possible he fixes/replaces what has gone wrong or seems
likely to go wrong soon. The main area where this is limited is if there is
physical external damage and he doesn't have a suitable replacement lid, or
whatever. Meters can be a problem. For my set he actually had to shave a
small bit of plastic and slightly bend the meter 'hand' as it had been
sticking because the plastic had slowly warped with time from the heat of
the pea bulbs. This perhaps gives you some idea of the detailed work he is
prepared to do when needed, and that it all depends on the specific set and
the wishes of the owner.

The main mods are that:

1) He fits a circuit to suppress the 'whoosh' which can arise if you change
the volume too soon after switch-on. This tends to occur eventually with
the earlier sets with the carbon based tracks. FWIW I used conductive
plastic pots in a later version and these are less likely to get the
problem. So if a set is one of the later versions you may not experience
the problem. But earlier sets are very prone to it. This mod also tends to
reduce the switch-on thump I found.

2) He also modifies the power amp to be more thermally stable and less
likely to develop crossover due to thermal tracking differences. The result
seems to be more consistent and lowered distortion in normal use. This
change means he can set a higher bias current safely, so get smoother
results.

3) Along with (2) he tends to fit better drivers and splitter transistors.
So the amp should finding driving low loads easier, etc.

I'd expected him to remove the old thermal delays and change to using
higher rated diodes in the PSU. However he feels that this isn't necessary
if the delay still works. On reflection I ended up agreeing with him. I
changed the sets to lose the thermal delay because these were causing most
of the set returns under guarantee. However talking to Mike I realised this
was because some delays were dud. Once they've worked for a few years
they'll last forever. So by this stage they are unlikely to become a
problem as the survivors are the good ones! :-)

He may make other changes depending on the state of the set and the precise
details of the version. Bear in mind that the actual production circuit was
changed in detail many times as it 'evolved'. Alas, no-one now has any
clear record of them. [1] All minor, but each designed to tweak an aspect
of performance. e.g. The output caps and reservour cap values were
increased more than once to get more power at LF and into low loads - once
the drivers, etc, could cope!

FWIW As per an earier posting I'm using a set of DIN speaker adaptors I
made, based on some 'new old stock' plugs Dave kindly found and sent to me.
(Again, thanks Dave for those! :-) )

Currently listening to Radio 3 using the 626's FM tuner. Even though I've
not yet sorted out a sensible VHF antenna it sounds very good to me.
(Currently I'm using a set-top UHF TV antenna in the loft as the VHF
antenna! Need to get into the loft. 8-] )

Cheers,

Jim

[1] You may have noticed that there are two different Armstrong circuit
diagrams that were released with the 600 range sets. The change that
confuses most people is the change to the output bias current from 5 to 20
mA. But there are other changes that people miss. And in reality there were
many more 'versions' than two! One of my biggest regrets now is that all
the production paperwork was discarded and so I can't tell now how many
sets were made, and which changes were made, when! If I'd realised in time
I'd have tried to rescue the info. But it was too late by the time I
started writing the Armstrong webpages and asked others about this, and
other details now lost. :-/

With that in mind I wonder if it is worth asking people who have a 600 set
what serial number it is and when they bought it. Might be possible to
recover some details if enough sets are about. Should ask Mike as well as
he might have worked it out...

--
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html


RJH[_4_] August 3rd 15 05:05 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
On 01/08/2015 12:44, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , RJH
wrote:
On 31/07/2015 11:14, Jim Lesurf wrote:



I have one of those - very nice too, and still works perfectly. It
hasn't been in daily use for some time now, though.The only slightly
annoying thing for me is the DIN speaker sockets.


What are the mods you're having done?


I plan to write something about this in detail for my website. However I
should say up front that Mike was happy to give me full details of the mods
he makes *on condition* that I don't disclose all the details because they
are his ideas and his bread and butter. That seems fair enough to me, so I
agreed happily. Journalists have to respect their sources, particularly
when they are very helpful.


Very well worth knowing about London Sound. FWIW I had some repairs and
mods done to a Beard valve amplifier by Chris Found - involved going
round to his home somewhere in/around central London. Can't speak highly
enough.

Also loosely intrigued that you would let somebody else loose on a
design you must know more about that most (anyone?!). Is that because
he's maybe more up to date? Better at say soldering? And/or you have
better things to do?

All that said...

The standard changes are simply to restore and repair. e.g. what I sent to
him had meters that didn't work properly and lamps that had failed. Some
switches/sockets were intermittent. All the predictable signs of a long
life of use for such old kit.

The returned set I now have here has all the meters, lights, etc, working
'as new'. (If I can manage I'll take some photos for when I write about
this, but I'm a lousy photographer.)

He also checked things like the IF/RF alignments, but since the set had
been owned by Ted Rule, then me, found these were spot on OK.

I think he also installed new heatsink compound, etc, for the output
devices to ensure the thermal sinking. And old electrolytics may get
replaced.

Essentially where possible he fixes/replaces what has gone wrong or seems
likely to go wrong soon. The main area where this is limited is if there is
physical external damage and he doesn't have a suitable replacement lid, or
whatever. Meters can be a problem. For my set he actually had to shave a
small bit of plastic and slightly bend the meter 'hand' as it had been
sticking because the plastic had slowly warped with time from the heat of
the pea bulbs. This perhaps gives you some idea of the detailed work he is
prepared to do when needed, and that it all depends on the specific set and
the wishes of the owner.

The main mods are that:

1) He fits a circuit to suppress the 'whoosh' which can arise if you change
the volume too soon after switch-on. This tends to occur eventually with
the earlier sets with the carbon based tracks. FWIW I used conductive
plastic pots in a later version and these are less likely to get the
problem. So if a set is one of the later versions you may not experience
the problem. But earlier sets are very prone to it. This mod also tends to
reduce the switch-on thump I found.

2) He also modifies the power amp to be more thermally stable and less
likely to develop crossover due to thermal tracking differences. The result
seems to be more consistent and lowered distortion in normal use. This
change means he can set a higher bias current safely, so get smoother
results.

3) Along with (2) he tends to fit better drivers and splitter transistors.
So the amp should finding driving low loads easier, etc.

I'd expected him to remove the old thermal delays and change to using
higher rated diodes in the PSU. However he feels that this isn't necessary
if the delay still works. On reflection I ended up agreeing with him. I
changed the sets to lose the thermal delay because these were causing most
of the set returns under guarantee. However talking to Mike I realised this
was because some delays were dud. Once they've worked for a few years
they'll last forever. So by this stage they are unlikely to become a
problem as the survivors are the good ones! :-)

He may make other changes depending on the state of the set and the precise
details of the version. Bear in mind that the actual production circuit was
changed in detail many times as it 'evolved'. Alas, no-one now has any
clear record of them. [1] All minor, but each designed to tweak an aspect
of performance. e.g. The output caps and reservour cap values were
increased more than once to get more power at LF and into low loads - once
the drivers, etc, could cope!

FWIW As per an earier posting I'm using a set of DIN speaker adaptors I
made, based on some 'new old stock' plugs Dave kindly found and sent to me.
(Again, thanks Dave for those! :-) )


(I did get a few DIN plug screw-type cheapies - fine for my purposes)

Currently listening to Radio 3 using the 626's FM tuner. Even though I've
not yet sorted out a sensible VHF antenna it sounds very good to me.
(Currently I'm using a set-top UHF TV antenna in the loft as the VHF
antenna! Need to get into the loft. 8-] )

Cheers,

Jim


Very good! Sounds interesting, and look forward to the write-up.



[1] You may have noticed that there are two different Armstrong circuit
diagrams that were released with the 600 range sets. The change that
confuses most people is the change to the output bias current from 5 to 20
mA. But there are other changes that people miss. And in reality there were
many more 'versions' than two! One of my biggest regrets now is that all
the production paperwork was discarded and so I can't tell now how many
sets were made, and which changes were made, when! If I'd realised in time
I'd have tried to rescue the info. But it was too late by the time I
started writing the Armstrong webpages and asked others about this, and
other details now lost. :-/


Well, I hadn't noticed ;-) It's testimony to something that you still
see them popping up on ebay.

With that in mind I wonder if it is worth asking people who have a 600 set
what serial number it is and when they bought it. Might be possible to
recover some details if enough sets are about. Should ask Mike as well as
he might have worked it out...


Quite happy to supply photos etc of mine if it helps. SN 610455



--
Cheers, Rob

Jim Lesurf[_2_] August 3rd 15 08:37 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
In article , RJH
wrote:

Also loosely intrigued that you would let somebody else loose on a
design you must know more about that most (anyone?!). Is that because
he's maybe more up to date? Better at say soldering? And/or you have
better things to do?


Well, we probably discussed the changes/fixes in more detail than most of
his customers. :-)

Alas, I don't trust my eyes/fingers/judgement as much as I used to. Afraid
I've developed a tendency to clumsiness and muddle. I'm still happy to work
on simple circuits and ones I don't mind trashing and having to redo. But I
didn't want to end up doing more harm than good to my 626s. Particularly
for the set Ted owned before me, which was the 'best' in many ways despite
being an early version.

In addition both sets had problems with failing meters, etc. So really also
needed some mechanical TLC and parts I lacked. I've never been any good at
mechanical issues.

Mike also could offer doing his mods which I decided to try because they
seemed like the kind of thing I'd have done at the time if things had gone
differently back in the days when the sets were being made. I was curious
to hear the results. Now pleased I did. :-)

And in the end I decided it might help others if I had Mike do this and I
could write about it. That might help others in a similar situation. Having
been though the process I'd now happily recommend it on the basis of
experience.

Jim

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Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html


Jim Lesurf[_2_] August 3rd 15 08:48 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
On 03 Aug, wrote:
And in the end I decided it might help others if I had Mike do this and
I could write about it. That might help others in a similar situation.
Having been though the process I'd now happily recommend it on the basis
of experience.


Should have also added:

For years people have been contacting me to ask if I can repair/check their
old Armstrong sets. I've always then had to explain I don't do this, and
suggested they try Mike or AHVS as the best places to go.

Having done that so often it seemed a good idea to finally practice what
I'd preached. :-)

Jim

--
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Electronics
http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html


Phil Allison[_3_] August 4th 15 06:25 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
Jim Lesurf wrote:




The main mods are that:

1) He fits a circuit to suppress the 'whoosh' which can arise if you change
the volume too soon after switch-on.



** A sure sign of electro caps charging via the track of a pot, temporarily causing DC voltage and so noise when the wiper is moved. I see in this case 10 and 22uF electros feeding a 100kohm volume pot - so it will take around 20 seconds for the voltage to disappear, if it ever does. A couple of 0.47uF film caps are the go there.


2) He also modifies the power amp to be more thermally stable and less
likely to develop crossover due to thermal tracking differences.




** The schem on your pages shows two ITT44 diodes for bias temp compensation while a quasi-complementary stage normally requires three - one for each driver and one for the upper output transistor. If both ITT44s are mounted in contact with the heatsink, bias may be overcompensated and if only one then it will likely be under.

A good compromise is to use three diodes, with one attached to the heatsink and select a series resistor on test to get 20mA at idle.


I'd expected him to remove the old thermal delays and change to using
higher rated diodes in the PSU.


** So would I, seeing 1N4003s in the PSU puts my teeth on edge.

In the early 70s, I built a quite similar stereo amp for my own use - but with an extra TO3 transistor providing a regulated B+ rail of 64VDC. There was also a thyristor crow bar circuit that instantly shut down the B+ if the peak supply current exceeded a safe level for the 2N3055 outputs.

Input connectors were 5 pin DIN and it drove a pair of heavily modified KEF KIT 3s (same as the Concerto) - until I discovered Quad ESL57s.


.... Phil



froggy August 4th 15 12:07 PM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
Le 31/07/15 13:00, Jim Lesurf a écrit :
In article , David B
wrote:
If you like that style, I have an old A&R Cambridge T21 Tuner somewhere.
I'll be moving in a months time so if it turns up do you want it? It
was working the last time I used it, many fortnights ago.


Thanks, but no. :-) Agree about the style. However to me the 600 range
look is pretty special.

One of the reasons I like the 626 is that I used to work for Armstrong, and
the set in question previously was owned by Ted Rule. He designed the
electronics and I developed it a bit later on. So its a nice slice of my
personal history as well as looking/sounding good.

Its an unusual example because it now has a mix of mods added by Ted, then
me, and now also Mike!

I did dither about which set to upgrade as the other set is a later model.
But Mike was able to update the older one anyway.

FWIW I also have a working Yamaha 7000 FM tuner which has a nice retro
style as well as being a great tuner. However in practice the bulk of my
radio listening tend to be via a more modern means. I now fetch BBC iplayer
files using get_iplayer than then play them via a USB DAC into the amp.

For a few years I've been using a modern 'bland silver box' amp (Cambridge
Audio) in the dining room/office because the 626's needed TLC. Now I hope
to replace that with the 626 again. :-)

Used with a pair of Spendor LS3/5a speaker and fed via a DAC Magic.
Although for live radio I'll probably now use the 626's tuner, in practice
I tend to prefer the flexibility from get_iplayer and the iplayer site.
Curious blend of old and new...

Jim


Jim,

If one day you wish to offload your CT-7000, please note that I am more
than willing to give it a warm and loving home!! :-)

Thankfully the DAB industry is in total tatters here in France and we
have yet to hear any government official predicting the end of FM
broadcasting.

--
Froggy

Baldrick: I've got this big growth in the middle of my face.
Blackadder: That's your nose, Baldrick.

(Blackadder the Third)

tony sayer August 5th 15 09:20 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
In article , Phil
Allison scribeth thus
Jim Lesurf wrote:




The main mods are that:

1) He fits a circuit to suppress the 'whoosh' which can arise if you change
the volume too soon after switch-on.



** A sure sign of electro caps charging via the track of a pot, temporarily
causing DC voltage and so noise when the wiper is moved. I see in this case 10
and 22uF electros feeding a 100kohm volume pot - so it will take around 20
seconds for the voltage to disappear, if it ever does. A couple of 0.47uF film
caps are the go there.


2) He also modifies the power amp to be more thermally stable and less
likely to develop crossover due to thermal tracking differences.




** The schem on your pages shows two ITT44 diodes for bias temp compensation
while a quasi-complementary stage normally requires three - one for each driver
and one for the upper output transistor. If both ITT44s are mounted in contact
with the heatsink, bias may be overcompensated and if only one then it will
likely be under.

A good compromise is to use three diodes, with one attached to the heatsink and
select a series resistor on test to get 20mA at idle.


I'd expected him to remove the old thermal delays and change to using
higher rated diodes in the PSU.


** So would I, seeing 1N4003s in the PSU puts my teeth on edge.

In the early 70s, I built a quite similar stereo amp for my own use - but with
an extra TO3 transistor providing a regulated B+ rail of 64VDC. There was also a
thyristor crow bar circuit that instantly shut down the B+ if the peak supply
current exceeded a safe level for the 2N3055 outputs.

Input connectors were 5 pin DIN and it drove a pair of heavily modified KEF KIT
3s (same as the Concerto) - until I discovered Quad ESL57s.


... Phil


I think your a bit of a QUAD fan Phil, was arguing with someone the
other day that such as upping the power and LS caps in a 303 from 2200
to 4700 uF was making it something else which it wasn't originally like
modifying the input LM301A chip of the 405 ..

comments?....
--
Tony Sayer





Phil Allison[_3_] August 6th 15 04:34 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
tony sayer wrote:


I think your a bit of a QUAD fan Phil, was arguing with someone the
other day that such as upping the power and LS caps in a 303 from 2200
to 4700 uF was making it something else which it wasn't originally like
modifying the input LM301A chip of the 405 ..

comments?....



** From reading published interviews, I know Peter Walker liked to get a product *right* before selling them to anyone.

From studying some of Quads famous amplifiers ( Quad II, 303, 405 & 306 ) the choice and usage of each part appears carefully considered as to suitability, necessity and reliability.

The large electros in the 303 are adequate for their job. The amp has no hum since the PSU is regulated while the output coupling electros have low enough impedance at 40Hz (ie 0.25 ohms) to effectively damp cone resonance in any 8 ohm woofer likely to be used.

Unless the electros appear to be deteriorating ( ESR heading North )I would leave them be.

The 301A op-amp in early 405s is a sore point with many enthusiasts who *feel* it is obsolete and inferior. It provides 15 times voltage gain to drive the Current Dumping power stage, which has a voltage gain of only 3.8 times.
Cleverly used in the inverting mode, it does that job very well and also provides the sub sonic filter function.

The possible replacements require some circuit modifications and do almost nothing to improve the amplifier's specs.



..... Phil












































Jim Lesurf[_2_] August 10th 15 01:58 PM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
Just to let people know I've now put up a webpage

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong...airandmod.html

on this. Even managed to take some photos of the result. :-)

Jim

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Johnny B Good August 10th 15 07:22 PM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:58:01 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

Just to let people know I've now put up a webpage

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong...airandmod.html

on this. Even managed to take some photos of the result. :-)

Jim


An interesting quote from that web page:

"Although I'm not a very good photographer, you can see it now looks
like new. No sign of it being 40 decades old!"

I don't think any of us realised just how long Armstrong have been in
the Hi-Fi business. :-)

--
Johnny B Good

RJH[_4_] August 11th 15 05:27 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
On 10/08/2015 20:22, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:58:01 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

Just to let people know I've now put up a webpage

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong...airandmod.html

on this. Even managed to take some photos of the result. :-)

Jim


Very interesting, thanks.


An interesting quote from that web page:

"Although I'm not a very good photographer, you can see it now looks
like new. No sign of it being 40 decades old!"

I don't think any of us realised just how long Armstrong have been in
the Hi-Fi business. :-)


I did notice that but didn't like to say :-)

The left hand 'Armstrong' lettering on mine is illuminated - can't quite
tell on yours, it looks to be painted, the same as the logo.

I think those are good photos by the way - reminiscent of a 70s brochure!

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Jim Lesurf[_2_] August 11th 15 10:21 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
In article , Johnny B Good
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:58:01 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:


Just to let people know I've now put up a webpage

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong...airandmod.html

on this. Even managed to take some photos of the result. :-)

Jim


An interesting quote from that web page:


"Although I'm not a very good photographer, you can see it now looks
like new. No sign of it being 40 decades old!"


I don't think any of us realised just how long Armstrong have been in
the Hi-Fi business. :-)


Apologies. Someone else pointed out the error this morning. Now fixed.

Jim

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Jim Lesurf[_2_] August 11th 15 10:40 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
In article , RJH
wrote:


The left hand 'Armstrong' lettering on mine is illuminated - can't quite
tell on yours, it looks to be painted, the same as the logo.


It is illuminated, but may not show up clearly. Limitations of my skill
sic as a photographer. cf below.

I think those are good photos by the way - reminiscent of a 70s brochure!


Inc. our 1970s furniture. 8-]

I was trying to get images that approach the ones in the old 600 range
publicity shots, etc. The process gave me a *lot* of respect for the
photographers back then! I'm a lousy photographer, alas.

A snag was that my camera is very 'automatic' so gives you *no* option to
manually focus. At low light levels it tends not to focus well. So I have
to take many shots, then some are fuzzy, some are better. Fortunately,
digital cameras mean it is cheap and easy to take lots of photos, then
discard most of them.

I spend about two days experimenting with lighting conditions, etc, to try
and get photos that appeared as close to "what you see" as possible. The
main difficulty was getting the light level 'just right' so you can see the
tuning scale illumination without the rest of the scene being too dark.

A second problem was reflections in the glass of the tuning display. I
ended up with a black jersey over the back of the chair to which I'd fixed
the camera. This blacked out the area being reflected.

The stereo LED is also 'burned out' in the photos. i.e. it looks like a
small white light surrounded by red. But to the human eye is is just bright
red, however it saturates the camera.

BTW one of the pix showing the whole 626 is actually two joined photos.
That allowed me to zoom in and get more detail to start with. Then played
with GIMP to fiddle the results together. If you look you can see the join,
but it seems minor enough to pass muster.

The zoomed in pic of the tuning scale, etc, is one of the paired images.
Didn't put the other on the page, but can do if it seems worthwhile.

One trick which was suggested to me was to take one photo with no added
light, so only the lighting of the 626 itself would show. Then take another
with reasonably high lighting to make the set sharp and clear. Then
'PhotoShop' (GIMP in my case) the tuning scale and meters from the first
over the second. Apparently the magazines do this routinely. But I found
when I tried it the result looked obviously like a composite. So seemed
un-natural, and might make people think I'd "fiddled the images" to make
the unit look better than it really now is.

The truth is that it looks better than the photos I could take! And sadly
you can't hear what it sounds like from the photos... I'm currently
listening to a string quartet on R3 FM via 626 + LS3/5A's. Really nice. :-)

Jim

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Johnny B Good August 12th 15 04:26 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:21:39 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

In article , Johnny B Good
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:58:01 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:


Just to let people know I've now put up a webpage

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong...airandmod.html

on this. Even managed to take some photos of the result. :-)

Jim


An interesting quote from that web page:


"Although I'm not a very good photographer, you can see it now looks
like new. No sign of it being 40 decades old!"


I don't think any of us realised just how long Armstrong have been in
the Hi-Fi business. :-)


Apologies. Someone else pointed out the error this morning. Now fixed.


I realised what had happened (I've done the same myself). It's a case of
"Changing Horses In Mid-stream" where you intended to type 40 years and
then decided the phrase 4 decades would be better, forgetting to remove
the now unneeded zero.

I bet you proof read it and *still* managed to miss it, eh?[1] :-)

[1] I often spot such errors (and ommissions) when proof reading but I'm
all too often dismayed by the number of such Es & Os that *still* manage
to appear in the final 'publication'.

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Johnny B Good

Jim Lesurf[_2_] August 12th 15 08:22 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
In article , Johnny B Good
wrote:

I realised what had happened (I've done the same myself). It's a case
of "Changing Horses In Mid-stream" where you intended to type 40 years
and then decided the phrase 4 decades would be better, forgetting to
remove the now unneeded zero.


Yes. As I wrote I was dithering between "for four decades" and "for about
40 years" and ended up writing a mashup of the two. 8-]

I bet you proof read it and *still* managed to miss it, eh? :-)


Sadly, yes. I followed my usual practice of leaving the draft for a day or
two for my brain to clear, then going though it two or three times looking
for mistakes, tweaking the phrasing, etc. Managed to miss it. I also missed
another error that Mike Solomons noticed immediately I'd put up the page
and told him.

Jim

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RJH[_4_] August 12th 15 10:36 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
On 12/08/2015 09:22, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Johnny B Good
wrote:

I realised what had happened (I've done the same myself). It's a case
of "Changing Horses In Mid-stream" where you intended to type 40 years
and then decided the phrase 4 decades would be better, forgetting to
remove the now unneeded zero.


Yes. As I wrote I was dithering between "for four decades" and "for about
40 years" and ended up writing a mashup of the two. 8-]

I bet you proof read it and *still* managed to miss it, eh? :-)


Sadly, yes. I followed my usual practice of leaving the draft for a day or
two for my brain to clear, then going though it two or three times looking
for mistakes, tweaking the phrasing, etc. Managed to miss it. I also missed
another error that Mike Solomons noticed immediately I'd put up the page
and told him.


IME one of the worst people to proof is the author. I often miss things
that on hindsight would have been howlers. You could do worse than post
final drafts here?

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Cheers, Rob

Jim Lesurf[_2_] August 12th 15 11:32 AM

Armstrong 626 nenewal!
 
In article , RJH wrote:

IME one of the worst people to proof is the author. I often miss things
that on hindsight would have been howlers. You could do worse than post
final drafts here?


In effect. I did! :-)

I agree that items generally do really benefit from 'someone else' to
proofread because the author often tends to read what they meant or thought
they wrote.

However one nice aspect of webpages is that I can easily correct/update/add
to them after they've appeared.

Hence I'm grateful when someone here or elsewhere points out my bloopers.
(Won't say 'pleased' as I try not to make the errors, but still make some.)
So although my main reason for posting about new pages is the hope that
people find them interesting I'm also looking for such corrections.

However for magazine articles I can't 'publish' before the magazine. So can
only show their drafts to someone else in confidence. Fortunately, the
magazine editors then pick up the silly errors. They sometimes get worse
input than mine, so I don't stand out too much! 8-]

Jim

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