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On 24/01/2017 18:42, Iain Churches wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 24/01/2017 17:05, Iain Churches wrote:
Blue Tak seems to have been a standard mounting
accessory exclusive to TV music shows. Nowhere else.
String players talked about it often, and aparently told
TV sound assistants "not to stick that muck on my
instrument" So did their violins remain without a
mic? "Call, the sound supervisor!. This clown has
stuck a lump of goo onto my £250,000 Amati"

After 40 plus years in broadcasting, admittedly as a cameraman, I can't
recall ever seeing bluetak being used to attach microphones to anything,
never mind musical instruments.


Musicians have a very special humour.
String players used to say. "I've been at
the TV centre all day. It's nice to come
to a studio where they have proper mic stands"
Everyone knew what they meant!


Regrettably everyone doesn't include me.


--
Graeme Wall
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Reprocessed Stereo (with example)
 

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 24/01/2017 18:42, Iain Churches wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 24/01/2017 17:05, Iain Churches wrote:
Blue Tak seems to have been a standard mounting
accessory exclusive to TV music shows. Nowhere else.
String players talked about it often, and aparently told
TV sound assistants "not to stick that muck on my
instrument" So did their violins remain without a
mic? "Call, the sound supervisor!. This clown has
stuck a lump of goo onto my £250,000 Amati"

After 40 plus years in broadcasting, admittedly as a cameraman, I can't
recall ever seeing bluetak being used to attach microphones to anything,
never mind musical instruments.


Musicians have a very special humour.
String players used to say. "I've been at
the TV centre all day. It's nice to come
to a studio where they have proper mic stands"
Everyone knew what they meant!


Regrettably everyone doesn't include me.

Musicians were quite disgruntled.
Classsical sessions were it seems OK, but some
players did not want to play on light music TV
sessions.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/schertler_...phone_367883_2

Iain

Reprocessed Stereo (with example)
 

On 24/01/2017 19:28, Iain Churches wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 24/01/2017 18:42, Iain Churches wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 24/01/2017 17:05, Iain Churches wrote:
Blue Tak seems to have been a standard mounting
accessory exclusive to TV music shows. Nowhere else.
String players talked about it often, and aparently told
TV sound assistants "not to stick that muck on my
instrument" So did their violins remain without a
mic? "Call, the sound supervisor!. This clown has
stuck a lump of goo onto my £250,000 Amati"

After 40 plus years in broadcasting, admittedly as a cameraman, I can't
recall ever seeing bluetak being used to attach microphones to anything,
never mind musical instruments.


Musicians have a very special humour.
String players used to say. "I've been at
the TV centre all day. It's nice to come
to a studio where they have proper mic stands"
Everyone knew what they meant!


Regrettably everyone doesn't include me.

Musicians were quite disgruntled.
Classsical sessions were it seems OK, but some
players did not want to play on light music TV
sessions.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/schertler_...phone_367883_2


Obviously long after my time :-)

I remember as a very junior erk rigging, IIRC, C28s on stands for
violins for things like Top of the Pops. Usually one mic between a pair
of instruments.


--
Graeme Wall
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 24/01/2017 19:28, Iain Churches wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 24/01/2017 18:42, Iain Churches wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 24/01/2017 17:05, Iain Churches wrote:
Blue Tak seems to have been a standard mounting
accessory exclusive to TV music shows. Nowhere else.
String players talked about it often, and aparently told
TV sound assistants "not to stick that muck on my
instrument" So did their violins remain without a
mic? "Call, the sound supervisor!. This clown has
stuck a lump of goo onto my £250,000 Amati"

After 40 plus years in broadcasting, admittedly as a cameraman, I
can't
recall ever seeing bluetak being used to attach microphones to
anything,
never mind musical instruments.


Musicians have a very special humour.
String players used to say. "I've been at
the TV centre all day. It's nice to come
to a studio where they have proper mic stands"
Everyone knew what they meant!


Regrettably everyone doesn't include me.

Musicians were quite disgruntled.
Classsical sessions were it seems OK, but some
players did not want to play on light music TV
sessions.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/schertler_...phone_367883_2


Obviously long after my time :-)

I remember as a very junior erk rigging, IIRC, C28s on stands for violins
for things like Top of the Pops. Usually one mic between a pair of
instruments.

Yes. It seems that the directors and camera crews
complained about the size of the mics, even pencils like
the C28. Preferred string mics such as the 87 or
49 are much larger. It may have been to do with
just their physical size, or because they caused
lens flare. Mics with matt black bodies were not
so common then.

The "stick-ons" were a topic of conversation
for quite a while. I am told that the practice
came to an end when the orchestral contactor
took it up with the MU.

Halcyon days:-)

Iain

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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Heh heh. Think what you actually mean is you want comments that you can
attempt to score points from. :-)

As a former broadcast professional could their
be any doubt as to the validity of your comments?.

With you, yes.

I remember it was Keith G who pointed out that "Plowie"
(as he used to call you) could never listened to any
snippets posted. And when Keith was here, there were
some very interesting snippets:-)))

Your interests are different to mine.

You would rely on BlueTak to hold up an expensive slung mic, Iain? I'm
afraid most of us in TV have more respect for the tools of our trade. And
the health and safety of those around us.

Blue Tak seems to have been a standard mounting
accessory exclusive to TV music shows. Nowhere else.
String players talked about it often, and aparently told
TV sound assistants "not to stick that muck on my
instrument" So did their violins remain without a
mic? "Call, the sound supervisor!. This clown has
stuck a lump of goo onto my £250,000 Amati"

Back to that again, eh? All I can truly say is I've never seen it used,
and certainly wouldn't want to use it either.

Could you give some details of actual shows where it was used and
preferably the name of the sound supervisor?

In my day, the standard way (after consultation with the musicians
involved) was custom made soft jawed crock clips used on the bridge. And
the musician - not the sound assistant - would fit it to their instrument.
Anything else would be an nonsense.

Lots of very interesting departments in the BBC, Iain. Or rather once
were. Did you never visit Kingswood Warren?

Yes. A friend of our family was a senior project engineer
there. It was he who suggested to me a career at the BBC.

So what went wrong?

Nothing. In terms of training, job prospects, advancement
oportunities, salary, and level of interest, broadcasting
sadly, came right at the bottom of the table.

Good. It's just that your continual criticism of what you think are
broadcast practices did make me wonder if it was sour grapes. Especially
since you seem to be so ill informed about them.

--
*You can't have everything, where would you put it?*

Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 24/01/2017 17:05, Iain Churches wrote:
Blue Tak seems to have been a standard mounting
accessory exclusive to TV music shows. Nowhere else.
String players talked about it often, and aparently told
TV sound assistants "not to stick that muck on my
instrument" So did their violins remain without a
mic? "Call, the sound supervisor!. This clown has
stuck a lump of goo onto my £250,000 Amati"

After 40 plus years in broadcasting, admittedly as a cameraman, I can't
recall ever seeing bluetak being used to attach microphones to anything,
never mind musical instruments.

Me neither.

I have heard of it being used to help stop rustle from clothes on an actor
wearing a concealed radio mic. Much to the dislike of costume department,
I might add. But not something I've personally seen or used.

-

--
*You're never too old to learn something stupid.
Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
After 40 plus years in broadcasting, admittedly as a cameraman, I
can't recall ever seeing bluetak being used to attach microphones to
anything, never mind musical instruments.


Musicians have a very special humour.
String players used to say. "I've been at
the TV centre all day. It's nice to come
to a studio where they have proper mic stands"
Everyone knew what they meant!

You are so right Iain. A nice lazy arm per violin would look oh so perfect
for TV. Plenty of space to them too.

Just as well you never did get to work in TV.

--
*A cartoonist was found dead in his home. Details are sketchy.*

Dave Plowman London SW
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Reprocessed Stereo (with example)
 

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Musicians have a very special humour.
String players used to say. "I've been at
the TV centre all day. It's nice to come
to a studio where they have proper mic stands"
Everyone knew what they meant!


Regrettably everyone doesn't include me.

Musicians were quite disgruntled.
Classsical sessions were it seems OK, but some
players did not want to play on light music TV
sessions.

And exactly who is forcing them to?

https://www.thomann.de/gb/schertler_...phone_367883_2

It that what you use as a violin mic, Iain?

--
*Never miss a good chance to shut up.*

Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Graeme Wall wrote:
I remember as a very junior erk rigging, IIRC, C28s on stands for
violins for things like Top of the Pops. Usually one mic between a pair
of instruments.

Big snag with a pop orch in TV is that to actually have a chance of
hearing the fiddles above the rest is they have to be very tight mic'd.

Since you mention TOTP, the wonderful Dick Chamberlain was one of the
first to use personal mics for this - in those days BK6, worn round the
neck by the fiddle players. When the much smaller (and higher quality) ECM
50 arrived, it became possible to mount those on the instrument itself.

I'd also point out that the first time I actually saw this used was not
TV, but the string section of the James Last band on stage.

I'm really quite amazed one with the experience of Iain can't comprehend
and understand the problems of balancing a small string section as part of
a rock band in a 'live' environment.

--
*When a clock is hungry it goes back four seconds*

Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
The "stick-ons" were a topic of conversation
for quite a while. I am told that the practice
came to an end when the orchestral contactor
took it up with the MU.

Ah - right. You made it sound like the norm and current practice. Was that
your intention?

--
*A dog's not just for Christmas, it's alright on a Friday night too*

Dave Plowman London SW
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