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Does anyone have a favourite recording, or good demonstration, of
imaging? The sort of thing where you pick out an individual instrument
and get an accurate sense of where the musician is relative to anything
else that's going on?

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Cheers, Rob

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On 25/01/17 08:28, RJH wrote:
Does anyone have a favourite recording, or good demonstration, of
imaging? The sort of thing where you pick out an individual instrument
and get an accurate sense of where the musician is relative to anything
else that's going on?

What's gonna happen with that request is that peeps dump their lists
full of vocals recorded dead centre accompanied by the main instruments,
with the sides shifted far left and right.

Some rather dynamic suggestions ...

Tiger, Paula Cole
from 'This Fire'

Secret Smile, Dan Wilson
from 'Live at the Pantages'

When I Need You, Jocelyn B. Smith
from 'Live in Berlin'

Mercy Street, Miriam Stockley
from 'Miriam'

Shine, Vienna Teng
from 'Warm Strangers'

Wish You Were Here, Pink Floyd
from 'Wish You Were Here'

Don't Give Up, Herbie Hancock
from 'The Imagine Project'


--
Adrian C

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On 25/01/2017 12:32, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 25/01/17 08:28, RJH wrote:
Does anyone have a favourite recording, or good demonstration, of
imaging? The sort of thing where you pick out an individual instrument
and get an accurate sense of where the musician is relative to anything
else that's going on?

What's gonna happen with that request is that peeps dump their lists
full of vocals recorded dead centre accompanied by the main instruments,
with the sides shifted far left and right.

Some rather dynamic suggestions ...

Tiger, Paula Cole
from 'This Fire'

Secret Smile, Dan Wilson
from 'Live at the Pantages'

When I Need You, Jocelyn B. Smith
from 'Live in Berlin'

Mercy Street, Miriam Stockley
from 'Miriam'

Shine, Vienna Teng
from 'Warm Strangers'

Wish You Were Here, Pink Floyd
from 'Wish You Were Here'

Don't Give Up, Herbie Hancock
from 'The Imagine Project'



I seem to remember a version of the Stones, Paint it Black that was
recorded with exaggerated stereo, possibly intended as a demo of
"binaural' listening.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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On 25/01/2017 12:32, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 25/01/17 08:28, RJH wrote:
Does anyone have a favourite recording, or good demonstration, of
imaging? The sort of thing where you pick out an individual instrument
and get an accurate sense of where the musician is relative to anything
else that's going on?

What's gonna happen with that request is that peeps dump their lists
full of vocals recorded dead centre accompanied by the main instruments,
with the sides shifted far left and right.

Some rather dynamic suggestions ...

Wish You Were Here, Pink Floyd
from 'Wish You Were Here'

Wherever you think the instruments were in the studio, you are wrong.
Of course, you might be able to hear where the engineer decided to place
them.

ISTR that the Cowboy Junkies Trinity Sessions is pretty good,
though I haven't listened to it since I got the ESLs.

And I would have to listen to my Thomas Tallis collection to choose the
best.

--
Eiron.

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In article , RJH
wrote:
Does anyone have a favourite recording, or good demonstration, of
imaging? The sort of thing where you pick out an individual instrument
and get an accurate sense of where the musician is relative to anything
else that's going on?

Try some of the chamber works provided with some issues of 'BBC Music
Magazine'. They vary, but some are pretty good. The best are essentially an
LPCM link from Radio 3 with minimal furtling along the way.

Jim

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I was going to say, this is almost impossible also due to room effects and
the like.
I was quite impressed by some of the older Telarc classical titles that
appeared shortly after cds came in. still sound very deep and yet precise
today, so somebody obviously knew what they were about.
Brian

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On 25/01/17 08:28, RJH wrote:
Does anyone have a favourite recording, or good demonstration, of
imaging? The sort of thing where you pick out an individual instrument
and get an accurate sense of where the musician is relative to anything
else that's going on?

What's gonna happen with that request is that peeps dump their lists full
of vocals recorded dead centre accompanied by the main instruments, with
the sides shifted far left and right.

Some rather dynamic suggestions ...

Tiger, Paula Cole
from 'This Fire'

Secret Smile, Dan Wilson
from 'Live at the Pantages'

When I Need You, Jocelyn B. Smith
from 'Live in Berlin'

Mercy Street, Miriam Stockley
from 'Miriam'

Shine, Vienna Teng
from 'Warm Strangers'

Wish You Were Here, Pink Floyd
from 'Wish You Were Here'

Don't Give Up, Herbie Hancock
from 'The Imagine Project'


--
Adrian C

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On 25/01/2017 18:40, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was going to say, this is almost impossible also due to room effects and
the like.
I was quite impressed by some of the older Telarc classical titles that
appeared shortly after cds came in. still sound very deep and yet precise
today, so somebody obviously knew what they were about.

That Telarc 1812 was severely clipped. Too much gunpowder!

--
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Graeme Wall wrote:



I seem to remember a version of the Stones, Paint it Black that was
recorded with exaggerated stereo, possibly intended as a demo of
"binaural' listening.


** This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zga1NvZS4_I

Try listening on headphones.




..... Phil

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On 26/01/2017 05:33, Phil Allison wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:



I seem to remember a version of the Stones, Paint it Black that was
recorded with exaggerated stereo, possibly intended as a demo of
"binaural' listening.


** This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zga1NvZS4_I

Try listening on headphones.



That's the bunny, thanks. Haven't heard it for decades.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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"Eiron" wrote in message
...
On 25/01/2017 18:40, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was going to say, this is almost impossible also due to room
effects and
the like.
I was quite impressed by some of the older Telarc classical titles
that
appeared shortly after cds came in. still sound very deep and yet
precise
today, so somebody obviously knew what they were about.

That Telarc 1812 was severely clipped. Too much gunpowder!

--


Clipped they might have been but they were hellish big bangs -
especially on the LP version played through a pair of transmission
lines!


--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com

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Graeme Wall wrote:
Phil Allison wrote:


I seem to remember a version of the Stones, Paint it Black that was
recorded with exaggerated stereo, possibly intended as a demo of
"binaural' listening.


** This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zga1NvZS4_I

Try listening on headphones.



That's the bunny, thanks. Haven't heard it for decades.


** There is a fair bit of old Stones material still on Utube but very little Beatles or Jimi Hendrix. Even amateur guitarists playing along with early hits audible in the background have been deleted over the last year or so.

Copyright holders must have put their foots down.

*******s.


..... Phil

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On 25/01/2017 12:32, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 25/01/17 08:28, RJH wrote:
Does anyone have a favourite recording, or good demonstration, of
imaging? The sort of thing where you pick out an individual instrument
and get an accurate sense of where the musician is relative to anything
else that's going on?

What's gonna happen with that request is that peeps dump their lists
full of vocals recorded dead centre accompanied by the main instruments,
with the sides shifted far left and right.

Some rather dynamic suggestions ...

Tiger, Paula Cole
from 'This Fire'

Secret Smile, Dan Wilson
from 'Live at the Pantages'

When I Need You, Jocelyn B. Smith
from 'Live in Berlin'

Mercy Street, Miriam Stockley
from 'Miriam'

Shine, Vienna Teng
from 'Warm Strangers'

Wish You Were Here, Pink Floyd
from 'Wish You Were Here'

Don't Give Up, Herbie Hancock
from 'The Imagine Project'


Many thanks - bit to go on there! I've only got the Pink Floyd track,
but I'll have a look out for the others, and have a renewed listen.

While I can usually pick out instruments/voices, I think the idea
(discussed in the R105 thread) is that it's a pin sharp sense of 'sound
in space' sort of sensation? I do get that - just not something I look
out for, really.


--
Cheers, Rob

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On 25/01/2017 14:52, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , RJH
wrote:
Does anyone have a favourite recording, or good demonstration, of
imaging? The sort of thing where you pick out an individual instrument
and get an accurate sense of where the musician is relative to anything
else that's going on?

Try some of the chamber works provided with some issues of 'BBC Music
Magazine'. They vary, but some are pretty good. The best are essentially an
LPCM link from Radio 3 with minimal furtling along the way.


Thanks - I'll have a look/listen.


--
Cheers, Rob

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In article ,
RJH wrote:
On 25/01/2017 14:52, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , RJH
wrote:
Does anyone have a favourite recording, or good demonstration, of
imaging? The sort of thing where you pick out an individual
instrument and get an accurate sense of where the musician is
relative to anything else that's going on?

Try some of the chamber works provided with some issues of 'BBC Music
Magazine'. They vary, but some are pretty good. The best are
essentially an LPCM link from Radio 3 with minimal furtling along the
way.


Thanks - I'll have a look/listen.

Like for like, it is easier to position instruments from a decent
recording the fewer there are. So a well recorded string quartet is a good
starting point.

When someone says they can position every single instrument in an
orchestra, take it with a pinch of salt.

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Once upon a time on usenet Eiron wrote:
On 25/01/2017 12:32, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 25/01/17 08:28, RJH wrote:
Does anyone have a favourite recording, or good demonstration, of
imaging? The sort of thing where you pick out an individual
instrument and get an accurate sense of where the musician is
relative to anything else that's going on?

What's gonna happen with that request is that peeps dump their lists
full of vocals recorded dead centre accompanied by the main
instruments, with the sides shifted far left and right.

Some rather dynamic suggestions ...

Wish You Were Here, Pink Floyd
from 'Wish You Were Here'

Wherever you think the instruments were in the studio, you are wrong.
Of course, you might be able to hear where the engineer decided to
place them.

I didn't see the OP ask specifically for accurate *actual* imaging. I listen
to a lot of studio recordings with excellent imaging that was created by an
engineer and enjoy them.

ISTR that the Cowboy Junkies Trinity Sessions is pretty good,
though I haven't listened to it since I got the ESLs.

It's one of my favourite recordings and sounds great on my non-ESL speakers
(no wank here, just appreciation of music).

And I would have to listen to my Thomas Tallis collection to choose
the best.

Is that comment for anyone's benefit other than your own? Did you follow up?
Findings?
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)