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Naff digital voice enhancement
This autotune system appears to be being used on recordings made by
perfectly good in tune singers as a kind of substitute fro double tracking, but unlike its more obvious relative, it is far too precise, and if over used sounds like the person is yodelling and completely ruins any attempt at drama in a delivery. Our latest Eurovision entry shows this, and unfortunatly even Michael Bubbles newest stuff is using it. Indeed I first encountered its over zealous use on some tracks on a live album by Carole King called The Living Room Tour, where her gritty wavering voice was completely ruined by its use in a number of places. Recently a new record by Cliff Richard and some people called The Piano guys, whoever they are is using it and apart from the slight phrasing that lets you know Cliff is on it, it could really be almost anybody. I'd like to put out a public plea that we put this effect into the great digital bin, at least until its capable of sounding vaguely hiuman when used. OK its fun on some songs as an effect but the ring modulator and vocoder have been around for years, but this sounds like the worst from both. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! |
Naff digital voice enhancement
I fear we're out of luck. This seems now to be an 'effect' so far as the
pop music biz is concerned. If they think it 'sells' they just go on using it. The rest of us just have to avoid it if we find it idiotic or irritating. Jim In article , Brian Gaff wrote: This autotune system appears to be being used on recordings made by perfectly good in tune singers as a kind of substitute fro double tracking, ... OK its fun on some songs as an effect but the ring modulator and vocoder have been around for years, but this sounds like the worst from both. Brian -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
Naff digital voice enhancement
On Sun, 14 May 2017 16:42:01 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: Yes but why use it on aperfectly competent singer? I find I can pick it up so often now that I know what it sounds like. It does make everyone sound like a robot. Do they not listen to real singers any more? You could quite clearly herar it on Robbie Williams first solo hit Angels beating with his voice. absolutely daft. Brian Cher is arguably perfectly competent yet she trailblazed the technique 20 years ago. Clearly as an effect, not a correction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3...ature=youtu.be -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Naff digital voice enhancement
Yes but that was very very obvious. the modern voice enhancement is more
subtle and yet bad. I can go back much further with this sort of thing for novellty value. Herbie Hancock Sunshine, Stevie Wonder has used it many times as way back then ring modulation was used in Sparkys magic piano. The latest incarnation may well be digital and flips to the next pitch etc, but the suitability for anything other than pure spot effect is a bit of an open question. My main point is that its not actually needed on most of the places its used. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Graham." wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 May 2017 16:42:01 +0100, "Brian Gaff" wrote: Yes but why use it on aperfectly competent singer? I find I can pick it up so often now that I know what it sounds like. It does make everyone sound like a robot. Do they not listen to real singers any more? You could quite clearly herar it on Robbie Williams first solo hit Angels beating with his voice. absolutely daft. Brian Cher is arguably perfectly competent yet she trailblazed the technique 20 years ago. Clearly as an effect, not a correction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3...ature=youtu.be -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
Naff digital voice enhancement
Same could be said for a lot of effects, both audio and visual, in use
in modern media. On 15/05/2017 09:02, Brian Gaff wrote: Yes but that was very very obvious. the modern voice enhancement is more subtle and yet bad. I can go back much further with this sort of thing for novellty value. Herbie Hancock Sunshine, Stevie Wonder has used it many times as way back then ring modulation was used in Sparkys magic piano. The latest incarnation may well be digital and flips to the next pitch etc, but the suitability for anything other than pure spot effect is a bit of an open question. My main point is that its not actually needed on most of the places its used. Brian -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
Naff digital voice enhancement
You or I may think it daft or irritating. But once some of the 'hit makers'
decide in their infinite wisdom that it helps 'sell' their output, they'll use it. Its the *money* they're after, and this is their 'product'. And being able to do things like this can also help them establish a 'guru' status which keeps them employed along the line to fiddle about with what musicians and recording engineers have created. Jim In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Yes but that was very very obvious. the modern voice enhancement is more subtle and yet bad. I can go back much further with this sort of thing for novellty value. Herbie Hancock Sunshine, Stevie Wonder has used it many times as way back then ring modulation was used in Sparkys magic piano. The latest incarnation may well be digital and flips to the next pitch etc, but the suitability for anything other than pure spot effect is a bit of an open question. My main point is that its not actually needed on most of the places its used. Brian -- Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
Naff digital voice enhancement
Once upon a time on usenet Graham. wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2017 16:42:01 +0100, "Brian Gaff" wrote: Yes but why use it on aperfectly competent singer? I find I can pick it up so often now that I know what it sounds like. It does make everyone sound like a robot. Do they not listen to real singers any more? You could quite clearly herar it on Robbie Williams first solo hit Angels beating with his voice. absolutely daft. Brian Cher is arguably perfectly competent yet she trailblazed the technique 20 years ago. Clearly as an effect, not a correction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3...ature=youtu.be A lot of singers lose the ability to hold the high notes perfectly as they age. -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM*." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) (*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) |
Naff digital voice enhancement
In article ,
~misfit~ wrote: A lot of singers lose the ability to hold the high notes perfectly as they age. A lot of singers never had that ability anyway. Got where they were through looks rather than talent. -- *Don't byte off more than you can view * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Naff digital voice enhancement
On 15/05/2017 14:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , ~misfit~ wrote: A lot of singers lose the ability to hold the high notes perfectly as they age. A lot of singers never had that ability anyway. Got where they were through looks rather than talent. I never mentioned the Spice Girls! -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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