That's cogent. I'll look for their details. Cheers.

"Uptown Audio" wrote in message
news:3fc3fde8$0$4767$afc38c87@...
Why don't you ask the manufacturer about their thoughts? A
good solder
job is as good as a weld for practical purposes. A poor one is
another
matter.
- Bill
www.uptownaudio.com
Roanoke VA
(540) 343-1250

"James Harris" no.email.please wrote in message
.. .
Someone has offered me interconnects which apparently use
the
standard cable of a certain manufacturer but the
terminations
are soldered on rather than welded. The price is
significantly
less than that for normal product cables. Can anyone comment
on
whether these are likely to be legitimate and sold with the
approval of the manufacturer.
- As an aside, any comments on soldered vs. welded?
TIA,
- James

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
BTW, a good job of crimping amounts to cold welding with the extra
bonuses of high mechanical strength and inherent disruption of oxide
films or dirt on the connector or the wire. Given my choice, I'd pick
a
well-crimped connection over the other two, but I would not worry
about
a good job based on the other two methods. Crimping and welding have
the
disadvantage of not being as field-repairable as soldering.

The other beauty of crimping is that there is no weakening due to heat
close to the joint - perhaps not that important where the lead is
adequately clamped, though. However, *proper* crimping requires a
usually
very expensive special tool, and frequently it is only of use for one
specific connector.

Agreed. The best crimpers are heavy, complex, costly, and provide lots of
mechanical advantage.

Here's the crimping tool of my dreams:

http://www.centralofficetools.com/in...D=32&do=detail



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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
BTW, a good job of crimping amounts to cold welding with the extra
bonuses of high mechanical strength and inherent disruption of oxide
films or dirt on the connector or the wire. Given my choice, I'd pick
a
well-crimped connection over the other two, but I would not worry
about
a good job based on the other two methods. Crimping and welding have
the
disadvantage of not being as field-repairable as soldering.

The other beauty of crimping is that there is no weakening due to heat
close to the joint - perhaps not that important where the lead is
adequately clamped, though. However, *proper* crimping requires a
usually
very expensive special tool, and frequently it is only of use for one
specific connector.

Agreed. The best crimpers are heavy, complex, costly, and provide lots of
mechanical advantage.

Here's the crimping tool of my dreams:

http://www.centralofficetools.com/in...D=32&do=detail



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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
BTW, a good job of crimping amounts to cold welding with the extra
bonuses of high mechanical strength and inherent disruption of oxide
films or dirt on the connector or the wire. Given my choice, I'd pick a
well-crimped connection over the other two, but I would not worry about
a good job based on the other two methods. Crimping and welding have the
disadvantage of not being as field-repairable as soldering.

The other beauty of crimping is that there is no weakening due to heat
close to the joint - perhaps not that important where the lead is
adequately clamped, though.

I don't understand your reasoning.
Electrical copper is, or should be, in a completely annealed state. Heating
the copper up isn't going to hurt it.

I have found, however, that soldered cable connections frequently break from
strain, even if they are correctly soldered. Connections are frequently
repaired over again, due to inadequate strain relief on the center conductor
that appears in large diameter coaxial cable.

"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
BTW, a good job of crimping amounts to cold welding with the extra
bonuses of high mechanical strength and inherent disruption of oxide
films or dirt on the connector or the wire. Given my choice, I'd pick a
well-crimped connection over the other two, but I would not worry about
a good job based on the other two methods. Crimping and welding have the
disadvantage of not being as field-repairable as soldering.

The other beauty of crimping is that there is no weakening due to heat
close to the joint - perhaps not that important where the lead is
adequately clamped, though.

I don't understand your reasoning.
Electrical copper is, or should be, in a completely annealed state. Heating
the copper up isn't going to hurt it.

I have found, however, that soldered cable connections frequently break from
strain, even if they are correctly soldered. Connections are frequently
repaired over again, due to inadequate strain relief on the center conductor
that appears in large diameter coaxial cable.

In article ,
Robert Morein wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning. Electrical copper is, or should be,
in a completely annealed state. Heating the copper up isn't going to
hurt it.

Don't know the theory, but if you flex a wire close to a soldered joint it
will always break at the joint. Perhaps it's a chemical reaction?

[Thinks.] But don't you have to quench copper if annealing?

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

In article ,
Robert Morein wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning. Electrical copper is, or should be,
in a completely annealed state. Heating the copper up isn't going to
hurt it.

Don't know the theory, but if you flex a wire close to a soldered joint it
will always break at the joint. Perhaps it's a chemical reaction?

[Thinks.] But don't you have to quench copper if annealing?

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 04:04:59 GMT
"Alicia Tamblyn" wrote:

depends on what Flux they used when soldered the connections, ie Rosin
or
artificial.

Yeah... if you listen to stuff at about 500GHz...

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reply was slightly tongue in cheek, but who knows with the gold plated mains
plug crowd....
I think the question was to do with the type make of cable and the non
standard,
compared to 'normal' expensive Hi-Fi construction methods;
ie; used by normal electrical engineering terminations people.

IMHO a home made cable made properly, is going to be better than a mass
market one with crap QC.
no matter how expensive the bought cable.
regards malcolm

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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 04:04:59 GMT
"Alicia Tamblyn" wrote:

depends on what Flux they used when soldered the connections, ie Rosin
or
artificial.

Yeah... if you listen to stuff at about 500GHz...

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reply was slightly tongue in cheek, but who knows with the gold plated mains
plug crowd....
I think the question was to do with the type make of cable and the non
standard,
compared to 'normal' expensive Hi-Fi construction methods;
ie; used by normal electrical engineering terminations people.

IMHO a home made cable made properly, is going to be better than a mass
market one with crap QC.
no matter how expensive the bought cable.
regards malcolm

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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message

In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
Here's the crimping tool of my dreams:

http://www.centralofficetools.com/in...D=32&do=detail

Wow. I like the bit about taking all standard dies, but is there a
standard?

I've seen dies that worked with different makes and models of crimpers. I
guess that would constitute a standard...