On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:39:18 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote:

It was just an example of a newly released film, in line with your
total boolox about paying 30 quid for a movie.

Not a very good example as you bought it from overseas before it was
even released in this country (so you couldnt have known its RRP here).

Out of interest, what region was the disc?

Very true. but I note you didnt disagree with my quoted ~10000%
markup estimate...

Markup of what? The raw materials?

How much do you think the raw materials of your precious BB3 cost?

Probably 100ukp for someone like me to buy from RS or so, and given Arcam dont sell massive numbers, probably about 75ukp to them.

I'd probably pay 200ukp for a new DAC (if any good ones were available at that price, but even if I could afford a four and a half grand DAC I wouldnt buy it because I KNOW the cost of the parts is far less, and the 'value' of the thing is NOT proportionally better than a 2nd hand DAC of good quality.

Based on my DBB3 purchase, and what I was *prepared* to spend on it, therefore, I'd say I would allow 100ukp for the design and production costs (per unit) on something like a DAC. and yes, thats about 200% markup, or 'profit' per unit. But a DAC is more difficult to design than a f*cking CD.

Most films, good or bad do NOT make their money at the box office. A
large proprotion of films do not make profit at all. Most films that
go into profit (eventually) do so with merchandising and the home
market.

I had meant to say will break even at the box office (at least). yes, merchandising is massive.

But still, Im not sure I would see value in a film that relied purely on its merchandising to turn a profit. (certain specialist type films excepted).

Unlike you I don't expect to get everything for nothing. I'm guessing
you live at home with your parents.

Nope. I live with my partner and three kids. Away from my parents.

As to the 'value added', yes, some are really good, but 90% odd are
just lame interviews (usually badly dubbed/edited) and a copy of the
theatrical trailer. big whoop.

Value added over the VHS equivalents I meant,

More backpeadalling... and still I disagree. the VHSes used to have trailers for other films on, at least some of which were worth the watch. Far more entertaining than a crap badly edited 'interview' that doesnt tell you anything...

the average price of
DVDs are very close to the (relative to inflation) prices paid for
sell through VHS in the early years.

Despite the fact DVDs cost FAR less to produce. (I bet you dont have a (good) answer for that one...)

You dont need to know anything about film production when you realise
the better (talented or known, you choose) actors actually park
BOEING 707s in their backyard (alongside their lear-jet).

As I said above, they are in the minority. Are you really naive enough
to think that is how all people in film production behave?

Of course not, but how many films do actors like that do (that actually made the money, not all the little stuff they did when no-one knew about them)?

maybe 10 films?

so, one person, after only 10 or so productions, has siphoned off enough to own TWO jets and live next to their own private runway, in a MASSIVE house with pots of cash?

If the other people involved inthe production allowed that to happen they *deserve* what they get.

I recon LoTR proved how well you can do without big names.

Now whos disengenious? We were talking about the *box set* of
futurama, not just single disc releases.

Which was 20 quid.

39.99 in tescos.

You started off this subthread by saying most
people pay 30 quid for new releases,

I said most new releases cost that much. I have no idea how many people are daft enough to buy them at those prices.

I download ALL the movies I want, initially. there is *no way* I was
going to buy LoTR disc 1, 2, and 3 seperately, only to find the
'special edition box set' released a couple of months later.

If you already had 1,2 and 3 why would you want the special box set?

As you well know, special or 2nd editions almost always have either more video, better sound, better video, more features (in the case of LoTR, probably worth having), or any combination of the above.

What was it I was saying about you having the upgrade bug in that
other thread?

I thought it was clear I didnt have the upgrade bug, having not bought the original version...

Cant really say no as I download stuff from p2p. But if they would
charge reasonable prices I'd buy the originals gladly.

The problem is you have no idea what reasonable is. You just want the
lowest prce possible. The two aren't the same thing you know.

If I wanted the lowest prices possible, I'd demand CDs for 10p per disc and DVDs for about a quid.

Im willing to pay 3-5UKP for a CD and 5-12ukp for a DVD (12 would be something like a set of all 3 LoTR)

probably. I dont regard a huge number of films as worth owning on any
media.

I'll bet it doesn't stop you downloading them to watch them though? If
you just want to see them why don't you either rent them, or buy them
and sell them after.

I download them, if they look like they are worth buying, I buy them (if I can find them at a reasonable price).

There's a burgeoning second hand DVD market you know.

Really. I wonder where Im getting those 5ukp DVDs then? Gosh, look at that, they're factory reconditioned...

Anyway the upshot is you were talking **** about 30 quid DVDs.

39.99, actually, and you can check for yourself in tescos.

Given
your previous comments in another thread with regard to Pinky's error
and apology,

He hasnt apologised to me, despite being downright rude (and wrong).

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