"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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OK Andy, first off (due to bad snipping - which is on the increase in
here)
it looks like you are calling Jim Lesurf a 'valve knocker' which, I'm
certain, is not quite the case.

If that's so I apologise. But let's go back to the beginning. I posted
website
details for some of Lynn Olsen's arguments in defense of valves. What
happened
was:
1. Nobody bothered to read what I posted

**Bull****. Quite a few posters read it and commented intelligently. I was
one of them. You said so yourself.

2. People seem to just have read the word 'valve' to trigger a childish
and
simplistic response - several thought I was Lynn Olsen, though I made it
clear
I wasn't

**Not me. SOME valve amps are very good. SOME are complete crap. Like
transistors, it depends on the implementation. Making inane statements which
infer:

Valves = good, Transistors = bad.

Is just plain dumb. That is pretty much what Lynn Olsen stated. If Lynn
Olsen had ever taken the time to do some blind tests (such as the ones I've
done) he would be humbled by the abilities of good SS amps. I know - I was
humbled by the abilities of good valve amps.


3. I am absolutely FED UP with being patronised by people who continue to
say
'well it's alright if you like valves as long as you say it's strictly
subjective (like I'm some sort of freak kept in the East Wing)' Whereas
'we who
like transistors' are of course objective so we don't even need to listen
to
know we're right.

**I agree. A good valve amp can sound very accurate. There is absolutely no
excuse to state:

Transistors = good, Valves = bad.

Such a blanket statement is facile and erronious.

4. There's a hell of a lot of careful thought going on in valves - follow
Audio
Asylum for some very complex arguments

**Sure. There's also a goodly number of nutters in Audio Asylum. There's a
few smart guys in there too.

5. It is POINTLESS thinking that some retro chassis from the sixties is
the
cutting edge of valve technology, and just as pointless to think that all
valve
amps sound alike and have 'that valve sound' (dreadful phrase) yet all
valve
amps seem to be lumped together.

**Hang on a sec! That was the thrust of YOUR first post! And, for the
record, I have never stated such nonsense. There are some good valve amps
and some crap valve amps. SETs, f'rinstance, are crap.

6. I have carefully explained in a number of posts the improvements that
can be
made at componant level to radically improve the sound of a valve amp. All
this
can be followed in great detail on Audio Asylum in the Tweakers and Tube
DIY
sections.

**I'm sure you have.

7. I've been a musician for about 40 years and my hearing is absolutely
fine
down to fine details. I know exactly what I'm listening for and why.
I could go on, but since I'm largely talking to robots, why should I?

**I don't insulting people furthers your case. Holding your alleged
muscian's staus over the heads of others, does absolutely nothing for me.
The last muso's system I attended had the speaker wired out-of-phase. It had
been so for the last 3 years. He had not noticed. I picked up the fault More
disturbing was that the particular muso is a very highly regarded classical
muso, here in Australia. I won't say anymore, because he is very high
profile and very talented. He also has no clue about what listening to
recorded music is all about.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com