Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:47:49 +0100, ruffrecords
wrote:


Neil Jones wrote:

Jim Lesurf wrote:


In article , ruffrecords
wrote:




Already am. Having a disagreement with a guy on another group who
reckons hi end vinyl sounds way better - I mean obviously better than
CD. He suggested I should visit a hi-end hi-fi shop and listen to 5
to 10 grands worth of vinyl kit to hear waht I have been missing, so
that's waht I intend to do.

If he knows this, he presumably knows what system he heard, and where
he heard it. So I'd say it was up to him to say where you can listen
to this system he rates so highly. OTOH If his opinion is just a
generalisation, and he can't give you an example you can actually
listen to, then judge his opinion on that basis. :-)


Before you even get to this point you probably need to narrow down
exactly what he means by 'better'.

Neil



I don't want to repeat the entire argument but this guy lives in Miami
and claims to have a $73,000 turtable and similarly expensive other
components. Despite that, he argues that any vinyl based system in
the $5K to $10K range will 'blow away' any CD system of any kind and
that the differences will be so noticeable as to be obvious.


That would be the Rockport Sirius III. I've heard it, set up by the
designer himself, and with a £5,000 Clearaudio Insider cartridge, and
it still suffers all the problems due to the records it plays. Of
course, if I'd spent that much, I too would probably argue that it
'blows CD away'. However, back here in the real world, it just ain't
so, if the sound of the master tape is what you're after.


As to 'better' as you might expect this has been debated at length.
In summary it comes down to instruments sounding more like the real
thing, and of course he claims extensive and regular exposure to what
the real thing sounds like.


So do I, and he's talking crap.


He further claims that tremendous technological advances have been
made in vinyl reproduction technology in the last 30 years so mit now
sounds better than any of us old lags would have remembered hearing
back in its heyday in the 70's.


Bull****, the *records* have not changed at all.


Oh, and by the way, you can only achieve this incredible level of
quality by playing one of a few direct to disk records still in
circulation and of which any really decent hi-fi shop will have a few.


I have about fifteen, by Sheffield, Crystal Clear, Discwasher and RCA,
and they are only *marginally* superior to a good conventional
pressing. They are also noticeably inferior to a good CD, and *vastly*
inferior to a top-class CD such as any of the JVC XRCD range, of which
I have 32.

Thanks for that Stewart, that is all *very* useful ammo for the future.

Ian