Kurt Hamster wrote:
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:15:12 +0100, Ian Molton used
to say...


Kurt Hamster wrote:

Oh gawd, not again. TBH I was glad you appeared to disappear on this
thread because I find it difficult to disengage this kind of crap. (dont
bother saying you disappeared on purpose to allow me to disengage or
some such crap, btw - that would be just a tad transparent...)


You do have a problem extrapolating possible events from information
you've been given don't you?

No, I just wanted to be sure you didnt get to use the delay to take
advantage.

I'll just comment on the below...

Probably because you struggled to cope with the points I raised in the
previous message?

Nice try, but you wont draw me on those points.

I chose the one closest to ten years. Why wouldn't you, after all it was
you making the statement?

I said 'about' in my statement as I didnt recall how long ago exactly
and couldnt be arsed to find out. your later comment prompted me to have
a quick google.

2 years isn't an "about" as far as I'm concerned.

s/about/approximately/

sheesh. whos being over literal now?

Why wouldnt I choose the number most in my favour?

...ah yes, thought so, you only want to answer the question you thought
I asked.

What, when you wrote:

"I chose the one closest to ten years. Why wouldn't you, after all
it was you making the statement?"

???

What *did you mean by that then?

If you recall, I said I *stopped* using it about 10 years ago. Given I
found myself in error (which you failed to and are now trying to pretend
you didnt), I decided to put the record straight.

1) Honesty

Irrelevant. You commented on my findings. Your honesty is irrelevant in
this context.

Huh? Your finding is that the *earliest* incidence you could find was 8
years back. Given I was talking about when I *STOPPED* using the
tagline, you SHOULD have been looking for the most recent occurence,
which is (from google) 13 Oct 1999

2) Im not going to say 'hmm, yeah - 8 for sure' when the oldest post I
can find is 6 years back (on, admittedly, a quick search).

Given that you chose to berate me for my Googling skills makes you a
hypocrite as your skill are obviously less than mine.

Your claim of finding the line 8 years ago is impressive, however you
were looking for *completely the wrong thing*.

OOI, whats the message ID of the 8 year back post? I'd like to see it if
possible... I've just noticed google hid a load of results under its
'show similar stuff' link, but that still only gets back to Nov 1998

3) I said I (thought I) *STOPPED* using it at that point, which is
clearly incorrect, so see 1)

So I corrected you. As is apparent from your tone whenever you are
corrected, you hate to be shown to be incorrect.

Huh? In my reply to what you *claim* is your correction (which is in
fact wrong), I clearly state, to the detriment of my own argument, the
correct value, which is 5 years. Thats hardly trying to worm out of
anything is it? I *could* have just left you believing it was 8 years.

In any case, the earliest message from you is 27th May 1996.

Who cares?

You care that you've been shown to be wrong.

About what exactly? I never claimed I was on the net before you, nor
that I posted to (public) usenet before you.

Its certainly a fairly early message. However prior to 'full' usenet I
spent a good deal of time in zetnets 'local' newsgroups, which were not
propagated net-wide. I also used to communicate much more in
muds/talkers around that time. Prior to all that I used to use bbses.

Zetnet's local groups were available outside Zetnet (I used to be with
Zetnet many years ago).

You must have joined zetnet *after* I did, because certainly not all
their local groups used to be public (to my annoyance, since I wanted to
track down an old friend from zetnet.local.teens, whos last message
there predated the public-goingness of the group).

I *do* know a little about zetnets service as I *wrote* the acorn
software to access it.

FYI in case you feel the need to lecture me yet again on ma\tters
relating to net experience, I was active on FidoNet long before I
'joined' the Internet. I also ran one of the few free BBSs that supplied
a Fido-Internet gateway (via UUCP and PCBoard) (certainly in the
North-West anyway).

I care about that because?

I dont see why not. not to groups google archives, perhaps (dejanews
back then) but still...

The 'tone' of that message was a good indicator too.

Indeed. scary how much younger I was then.

Which was approx 3 years after me...

Again, who cares? You're older than I am, and I dare say had more cash
for net stuff than I had 10 years ago.

The point being that once again you chose to lecture someone who has
more experience than you.

Are you suggesting you should never challenge the opinions / beliefs of
those more senior to yourself?

Perhaps you should join the military?

*You* couldn't find a post older than 6 years. I managed it in less than
10 secs.

I'd like to see it - more because I cant find it than anything else and
I'd like to know what you searched for in order to extract it from google...