Again, I'm not saying there is anything actually wrong with adding what amounts
to effects with a valve amp

I'm not defending vinyl, we can leave that out of the equation. But again, I
just don't see that a valve amp is 'adding effects'. This theory produced some
ridiculous 'valve sound' effects boxes for the MI industry, none of which
sounded like good valve gear, and musicians weren't fooled. I know this is only
one maybe crude example, but I'm pretty convinced that modern high end valve
users are equally likely to believe that ss 'adds greyness' or however they put
it. Here I'm making a comment about the weight of arguments on the valve side
of the fence, not what DBTs or other methods of comparison 'prove'.

=== Andy Evans ===
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