On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:22:49 -0000, "Rob"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:42:58 -0000, "Rob"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On 06 Nov 2004 11:27:16 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

I have no wish to 'endow' (DP) anything. I'm reporting less distortion
in
highly modulated passages when a transport is damped.

No, you're reporting that you *think* something is happening. You have
as yet shown no indication that anything *real* is occuring.
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If I were Andy I'd be feeling like someone asked to prove, for ever,
evidence of something that doesn't exist in the empirical world. Andy
can't
prove what he hears, and I'm inclined to think he (of all people) is aware
of placebo-type effects. Why can't you turn this round - instead of asking
him to prove it, you disprove it. Simple hypothesis - test it and see what
happens.

You haven't really thought this one through, have you. If somebody
says there is no difference, then in any test all they have to say is
"I can't hear a difference". That applies whether the difference
exists or not. If somebody claims to hear a difference, they can prove
it conclusively by identifying by sound alone - job done.

:-). Complete and utter nonsense. The proper test is antithesis - look it
up.

Andy surprises me rather with his claims because he is fairly uniquely
positioned in his psychological training to understand the reasoning
and processes, yet chooses to ignore all his training and experience.

Do you have any evidence of this?

Just read his posts.

I know that it is not nice to have your row of soldiers knocked down,
but the experience can be both illuminating and cathartic. Having
knocked them down, of course, you can then move on to something more
productive.

I really don't think this is what Andy is doing - I see it as a simple
test/pastime. I wouldn't presume to judge a person's productivity on the
basis of this little exchange.

But what do you say to somebody who, when you show them how a
conjuring trick is done then says "it must be magic"?

I suspect that behind your rather abrupt manner and bluster is a
charitable
soul trying to dissuade people from throwing time and money at what you
see
to be a pointless grail. I can't prove it though ;-).

Rob


I think you are right that many of us here do genuinely want people to
listen with their ears and not go blowing valuable time and money on
fruitless pursuits. Of course there is the point that the chase itself
can be fun - but it is much more fun when yo know that there is some
chance of there actually being a prize at the end.

There is a chance - that is, er, the point. It may be slim but I find an
inquiring mind fascinating. How many massive breakthroughs to our
understanding of the physical world have been made by people who were told
'Nope, it's impossible'. Challenge hegemony.

Rob


You have the roles reversed here. It is Andy who is saying "no it is
impossible" and refusing to investigate further - merely repeating the
assertion. The enquiring mind is the one that pulls the phenomenon
apart to see what causes it and learns thereby.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com