On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:49:18 GMT, MrBitsy
wrote:

Julian Fowler wrote in
:

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:31:57 GMT, MrBitsy
wrote:


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What do you not understand about 'I like both formats'? For me,
something gets lost in the transistion to CD that isn't lost with
vinyl.

Change this to "something gets lost in the transistion to vinyl that
isn't lost with CD, but I prefer the sound of vinyl" and you have a
statement this both technically correct *and* conveys your subjective
opinion as well.

Incorrect.

I am not worried about the technical aspects of the two formats. As I
said, I listen to both formats and KNOW that something is 'missing' on
the CD.

No, you don't know (obviously).

This 'missing' stuff doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the format
mind you, but there is something that is not conveyed well on CD. Not
conveyed well - thats a better phrase than missing!

What is it about you vinyl folks? First of all we had claims that
vinyl is more "lifelike", which turns out to be nothing related to
"like life". Then you claim that "something is missing" from CD
compared to vinyl, then turn this into a purely subjective statement
that something (not specified) is not conveyed well (whatever that
means) on CD.

Why can't you just say that you like the sound of vinyl more than that
of CD, without resorting to pseudo-technical gibberish such as "vinyl
is more lifelike", "there's something missing from CD" to do so!

I went to a level 42 concert a few weeks back. Went home and listened to
the same album on CD and vinyl. Cd was great but it didn't give me the
same thrill as seeing them live a few hours before. The vinyl copy DID
give me that feeling, it was */insert all the hated phrases here ie soul,
musicality/*.

Ummm ... no, I won't ... that would be too obvious ... ;-)


In the pie
analogy above, no machine is ever going to beat the taste of my mums
steak pie - why? Technically the process is brilliant and hygene is
top notch but something is missing - quite possibly the human touch is
needed for that home taste.

Maybe your mum is just better at making pie :-)

Oohh she was - but don't all mums make the best pie?


Anyway, the comparison isn't between a machine-made pie and a
home-made pie, its between two different machine-made pies.

Same with CD. Something gets lost in the recording

Jeez ... this is what starts to annoy. Compared to vinyl, *nothing*
"gets lost" in the transfer to CD. A CD is a far, far more accurate
representation of the master recording than *any* vinyl. You seem to
to be grasping as pseudo-technical straws to justify your preference.
*You don't need to justify it* - you like vinyl more than CD, that's
fine.

Why does it annoy?

Because you make statements like "Same with CD. Something gets lost in
the recording", which is just wrong!

I am not trying to justify anything - this is an audio
newsgroup and I am expressing my enjoyment of an audio format. If Keith
hadn't expressed his thoughts on vinyl then I wouldn't have heard his
system leading to my further enjoyment of music. I would like to think my
like of vinyl can be picked up by somebody else who may give the format a
try.


I happen to like Fray Bentos tinned pies, even though (compared to
something out of M&S) they're a poor approximation of a proper
home-made pie. I'm not going to start pretending, though, that
there's some magic needed to explain *why* I happen to prefer the FB
pie!


Well, follow that one through. Would you ever tell anyone else to try the
FB pie because they are so nice or would you keep your mouth shut because
there are 'technically' better pies out there ;-)

No, I'd say that I like FB pies in spite of (maybe even because of)
the fact that they bear only a passing resemblence to the homemade
pie. I certainly wouldn't try and claim that the FB pie is better
becauses its "more lifelike", or that "something gets lost" in the M&S
pie.

Julian

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Julian Fowler
julian (at) bellevue-barn (dot) org (dot) uk