Clyde Slick wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
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I've said that all along, been saying it for years.

It's a red herring all along, its been a red herring for years.


Red hering? Its the essence of the issue. Preference...
waht makes one more satisfied when listening to music.

That is the one basic and underlying flaw of DBT and objectivism,
it ignores preferences under sighted conditions,

Not at all. Preferences under sighted conditions are fine, if there is any
reliably perceptible difference to base those preference son.


NO, the preference is based upon perceptions when sighted,
based upon differences perceived when sighed. The 'no difference'
result during the test become moot, after the test is over, and the
perceptioms
of difference return.


That is how we always listen to music at home.

So what?



You would say that!


The DBT is not real world conditions.

If you want to take that viewpoint, then no listening test done at a
stereo show or dealer is valid either.

Well, I don't do tests there, I do comparisons. And I would use the
term valid a little differently than you, I am not using it
in the scientific senses, because it is not about science,
nor about scientific tests. But, yes, such comparisons are of limited use.


I listen sighted, so I want to listen to
what I prefer when comparing in the sighted mode.

IOW Art, you only want to take a test if the right answer is presented to
you in an obvious way.


No, not the 'right' is the answer that applies
to my perceptions when I am listening casually, for enjoyment,
sighted, wahtever that answer might be, obvious or not


This then isn't about reinforcing preferences, its about reinforcing
biases.

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Dear Mr. Slick, you'll never convince our ABX inventor that his "test"
is meaningless in the real world of millions of individual audio
consumers of different age, gender, musical preferences (from car-boom
superwoofer to chamber music), experience and training. He "removes
sighted bias"- . In the process he introduces a supposedly universally
applicable method which he never bothered to properly research and
validate in the proper scientific experimental way, the glory of
Western science, described centuries ago by such as Roger Bacon. And
we know why- it could never be validated because it is an inappropriate
caricature of the legitimate medical therapy research method of DBT.
DBT works in medicine because the effects of proposed treatment or lack
of effect can be *seen* and *measured*. The ABX/DBT routines depend on
yes/no questionnaire. Since a few will always have more discernment
than most the outcome is always bound to be "I hear no difference"-
null, negative.
Krueger would not have an inkling of what we're talking about. He said
once that "prolonged listening is a waste of time". His "music" is
"castanets", FM station on his car radio and the wallpaper noise in his
local supermarket. And he is not alone.
Ludovic Mirabel



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