"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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Henry Pasternack wrote:
Elsewhere, Andre Jute wrote:
I insist on my right, which I freely grant everyone else, to be
innocent until
proven guilty. [People] either have to prove I'm a liar as they
claimed...
or apologize.

Very well. Let us put to the test your principle of presumed innocence
and
proof. On January 11, 2006, you wrote:

Pasternack sent graphic homosexual pornography in my name to two
little girls, the daughters of an Italian engineer he'd never met, who
had never even corresponded with him... This... was admitted in passing
on the Joenet by Pasternack's associate in the Magnequest Mob, Robert
Chernofsky... It is also the accusation of the two little girls'
father, who
traced the graphic homosexual pornography to Pasternack's server...
[A]n offense of child molestation is beyond the pale.

Now, this is a very serious charge you have made, Andre. It's also
false.
That makes you a guilty of criminal libel.

I don't really see what grounds for complaint you have since, first, by
your
own admission, you are a liar, second, you are a criminal, and, third,
you
do not grant to others the same right you demand for yourself.

-Henry

Normally I don't even open Pasternack's meretricious posts. But in this
instance I read John's account of Michael LeFevre's confession of the
Magnequest Mob (of which Pasternack was a leading member) being
involved in sending graphic male homosexual pornography in the names of
others, then read in that light what Pasternack says above. John's
recounting of the LeFevre confession is he
http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.au...1d3ba88021a22f

Pasternack lies that I accused him of child molestation. I didn't. I
merely reported what was said elsewhere. As expected, Pasternack makes
his lie work only by snipping out the key thing I said on 11 January
2006: "This is not an accusation I made."

If Pasternack claims he's innocent of these accusations, he should
address those who brought the accusations, Raphael Antonio Ferenghetti
and Pasternack's own friend and associate in many crimes, Robert
Chernofsky, the execrable BobC. There's no point in applying to me: I
have no power to absolve Pasternack of his crimes. Anyway, I haven't
believed a word Pasternack said since February 1998.

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The evidence below is quoted from the Sound Digest Archive v02.n433 at
Harvard:
http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~rees...les_v02_f.html

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Here on 11 April 2001 is the first notification of the crime by the
father of the two little girls, R A Ferenghetti:

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Yesterday my post box was spammed with many many
pornography. We all know which
transformer maker and his friends on Joenet
do it. My children also use the same mailbox.

Nothing remains to be said.

Rafael Antonio Ferenghetti

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Here's Robert Chernofsky (BobC), Pasternack's longtime associate in
internet harassment of the "enemies" of Magnequest, trying to confuse
things (an old Magnequest Mob tactic) and in the process making an
awful admission:

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this is pure fiction posted by (Henry A. Pasternack) = (RAF) who just
wants to cause
trouble here because he is lonely.

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That bizarre message was followed by a letter from the father of the
two little girls, R A Ferenghetti, containing specific confirmation of
the source of the graphic homosexual pornography, pinpointing it to a
server operated by the employers of a particular party already fingered
in these exchanges by his own longtime associate in internet
harassments.

R A Ferenghetti wrote:

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Here is additional information sent
by the pornography makers about who requested
that pornography be sent to me:

on 11:25:27 2001 PST

somebody is pretending to be you. Use the
following information to identify the person. They
connected from IP: 129.37.197.63 They used this
browser: Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U)

IP: 129.37.197.63 is registered to

IBM Corporation
RT 100
Somers, NY 10589
US

Hundreds of people saw the same homosexual filth
posted to the Single Driver Conference. This was at the
time that those who stalk Andre disrupted
that list also with other posts from Henry
Pasternack, Michael LaFevre and
Bob Chernofsky.

That was bad, but pornography to children is very
very sick.

People who defend and tolerate such scum are also
trash.

(snip)

I'm too sick and angry to discuss this any more.

Raf

Greetings from

Rafael Antonio Ferenghetti

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The evidence above is quoted from the Sound Digest Archive v02.n433 at
Harvard:
http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~rees...les_v02_f.html

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There you are. Pasternack. You asked for the evidence and I posted it.
I express no opinion and I make no allegation. Please don't again be so
dumb as to lie that I did.

If you do not agree with the evidence, take it up with Dottore
Ferenghetti and your friend Mr Robert Chernofsky (BobC).

I don't want to correspond with you, Pasternack. I feel soiled every
time you mention my name. I feel soiled to discover you on my hobby
newsgroup. If I ran into you, I would refuse to shake your hand. You'd
be well advised not to approach me.

Like anybody wouold want to. Sheesh what a twit.

Unsigned out of contempt.

Oooohh, that'll show em.