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* "idea" isn't necessarily the right word there but I'm sure you see what
I mean...

Amongst the almost uncounted thousands of English words, Idea is just
fine. And it is 'necessarily' the right word.

Accordingly, you trap yourself into necessarily-human concepts (no, I
am not going 'intelligent design').

That's EXACTLY what I was trying to get you to avoid... never mind.

Tree capillaries are nearly perfect
circles. Something dropped into still water causes near-perfectly
circular ripples which propagate based on pi-based relationships.
Molecules make up these circumferences and fit as perfectly as our
pen-or-ink efforts, or more-so. So, if nothing else, Nature understands
pi perfectly... and uses it. All the time. What humans did is merely
_describe_ it.

What you're saying there is that our current way of understanding the
universe, involving numbers, circles, ratios like pi and so on - is the ONLY
way to understand it. You would, presumably, deny that some other race or
species could start from scratch and come up with a totally different but
equally valid way of thinking about the world.

That seems very unlikely to me.


By the way, I thought of a good analogy...

Your insistence that numbers exist is, to me, like insisting that numbers
are green. Or female. Or Welsh. The human brain lets us take a concept like
colour from one type of object and stick it on to something else, whether or
not it has any meaning in that situation. Before arguing about what colour
the number 7 is, we should consider whether the question is valid.