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Keith G wrote:

I think the nub of your response is that people
"believe" things sound different. It's the same
mental process that have people believing in God,
the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. They don't have a
shred of objective evidence that things sound
different, just their faith.


Let's say they *perceive* things to sound different.

OTOH lets *not* say they "perceive" things since that
then opens up all the
ambiguities and misundestandings where people use the
word 'perceive' in different ways and argue at
cross-purposes... :-)

What word would you prefer then? They have to perceive
to believe, do they not?

A little apparently much-needed Psychology 101:

There are two kinds of perceptions:

Illusory or unreliable
Veridical or reliable


Actually, four....

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=perception

Different issues.


...none of them based on factual accuracy, as I perceive
it....

:-)

Obviously true for you, Keith.

Some of the rest of us are mostly interested in veridical perceptions.
Illusions are fun, but that's about it for them.



I suspect (correct me, if I'm wrong) that, in your haste to dash off yet
another sniffy little snipe at me, you have lost the plot somewhat..??

Please re-read the thread above and note where I responded to Serge to
merely report that there is a group of people 'not far from here' who have
*perceptions* that contradict what he had stated - I never said that I
shared those 'perceptions', I simply mentioned that I was surprised he
wasn't challenged on some of the points he has made. Note also that my
response to JL (also above) was merely to ask what word he would prefer to
'perceive', as he doesn't like it - although I have to say it is unambiguous
to me. Then you will see that the, er, veridiculous use of the word
'veridical' in this context is irrelevant.*

As to the rather vague "Some of the rest of us mostly" - you would do better
in my book if you had the balls to speak only for yourself and not try to
pad your opinions/arguments with the implied support/agreement of a group of
invisible colleagues. As to 'illusions' and 'fun' - that's what the whole
'audio' game is about, ain't it? There is only one person with the *best*
audio system (somewhere) in the world - everyone else is deluding themselves
to a greater or lesser degree, are they not....??


*IOW, don't try to flannel your way into an UK newsgroup with fancy English,
me auld china - especially not when this 'Englishman' went to an English
Grammar School that was older than your *country*...!! ;-)