"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:54:36 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

OK, not as daft as you might think - I went through 20,000 SS amplifiers
without realising I was looking for valves, I did almost the same thing
with
speakers. (Was doing in fact!) Now I've got triodes and horns (and vinyl)
and am very happy with the 'Holy Trinity'! What ****es me off is that all
the 'advice' I got, after I got into the 'hifi' hobby, tried to push me in
the opposite direction, so it took a lot more time and money to get where
I
am!

Ah Keith. Sorry you got pushed in the wrong direction, but you do need
to shoulder some of the blame for that if you were asking people for
advice about Hi Fi.



OK, first off, you do not need to include yourself in the above - you and I
are poles apart 'hifiwise', but I have never considered any information from
you to be anything like the bigotted claptrap that I'm referring to above.
That reply was to a friend outside the context of any newsgroup - I don't
blame anybody for my 'voyage' through hifi kit in the recent years but I did
take note of what some of the so-called 'Old Hands' had to say. Asitappens,
many times I have posted a specific question I received no answer, so
there's certainly 'no blame'!!

(In any case, all my life I have followed strictly empirical methods and
have stated here in the past that if someone *tells* me the stove is hot, I
get burnt fingers!! ;-)

The worst offender here by far is Plowie - he hands it out like we have all
just got off the boat, but he don't got the balls to back up the crap he
posts with any concrete evidence or specific information. One facet of an
empirical nature is to provide physical evidence (Show N Tell) when it is
easy enough to do - or 'blogging' as he likes to call it. I am giving in to
the 'text only' nature of this ng and won't be providing too much to
see/hear from now on, despite the fact that it is fun to do and is common
practice elsewhere - there are any number of forums hoaching with pix, links
and the occasional soundclip!

(I might add 'Because I say so' don't cut it with me and is the sort of
arrogance that gets people off my Christmas Card List PDQ...!!)


People would naturally push you in the direction
of highest fidelity, but that wasn't what you wanted. You had a
particular sound in your head that needed matching, and you've found
it in SETs and horns.


Yep, all I've wanted is to be able to hear *all* of the sound and not in the
one plane between the speakers.

The 'musicality' of the sound I get is beyond question, or I wouldn't have a
single item of the same kit. Also, factor in that (as I said recently)
although I only have to please myself, I am so devoid of the above-mentioned
arrogance that I readily elicit the opinions of others to confirm (or
otherwise) my own findings. Trust me that if I had had a string of people
(including what? no less than 7 subscribers/lurkers here?) through here all
telling me the kit sounds ****e I wouldn't have taken it on board?? I have
responded to criticisms and suggestions throughout - it's the *point* of
asking for opinions!


That's all great, and I for one applaud it, but impressive sounds
aren't much to do with Hi Fi. I for one always run the other way when
I hear a system that sounds impressive, because I know that in the
long run I won't be able to live with it. I need my Hi Fi to be
self-effacing - all I want to hear is the music.


Hmm, that one's done a bit to death in my book....

I've got two sons who want only the same thing - they have Technics/Sony/B&W
and NAD/Sony/Mission setups and have steadfastly refused any spare kit that
I would have *thought* might have been an upgrade as they are both very
happy with the sound they have. Take it from me, what they have is plenty OK
but it is innocuous and extremely *uninvolving* compared with my own stuff
which will, I'm certain, be far too scary for most. Their sound (and that of
one or two others I know) is what I call perfectly decent 'TV music'..!!

I find that so much detail and imaging is lost in 'normal hifi' it is not
*all* of the music - there's too much missing to satisfy me and the lack of
clarity with some kit combinations is too much like sucking a sweet with the
wrapper on for my taste!

Also, I would like to add, it's not necessarily a 'valves & vinyl' thing - I
suspect that if you spend *enough* money on their opposites you probably
could get summat approaching that which can be had for comparative peanuts
with a bit of valves, vinyl and horns DIY..!!

(It's probably no more than a question of 'horses for wallets'...??? :-)


(Jeez, it's a good day for similes !! :-)


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