"Wally" wrote in message
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Don Pearce wrote:

... Now things like SETs do exactly that, and hence it is hard to
figure how they might merit a word like "best".

It's obvious: different people have different criteria for what they
*like*.
"Best" doesn't neccessarily mean best within certain technical criteria to
do with some notion referred to as 'accuracy of reproduction'. So far as I
understand it, listening to music isn't about some abstract, and
ultimately
unobtainable, 'accuracy', it's about what you *feel* when you listen to
it.


The problem here is that some people like Don are conditioned by their
training and experience to *know* a SET can't be right (on paper), the
simple fact remains *for me* that (to put it very simply, by way of
illustration) if I swap from a SET to an 'ordinary PP valve amp' I am *not*
uplifted and if I swap from a SET to an SS amp I am quite 'disappointed' and
can not really get confortable with the sound.

I use SS amps all the time - excellent for AV/telly and 'background sound'
throughout the house during the day, but I do not *prefer* them.



It would seem that the definition of "best" being promulgated by certain
individuals rests in their presupposition that the 'accurate' approach to
reproducing sound is the *only* way to acheive this. This is the false
premise that I said Dave was proceeding from. To wit...

This means LP is *adding* something to the audio that it shouldn't.

Who says that something shouldn't be added? Where is the universal truth
upon which this assertion is predicated? There is none. It is predicated
on
the supposition that use of audio equipment which doesn't 'add' something
is
the only way to instill whatever it is that we seek to feel when listening
to music.


Plowie's problem is that admitting vinyl is *adding* something to the sound
is some sort of shibboleth that he needs to hear. What he doesn't know (or
want to know) is that I and a number of others don't much care whether it is
or not. I (and I suspect a number of others) feel that all the equipment
alters the sound and the end product, which is is the ultimate goal, is the
sum of all the components and source material used.



Err, no. It was an example of how your whole thinking is flawed.

LIS, the *only* way: "Think like me, or you're wrong".



That's Plowie - see other recent posts. You can't ever win with him - ignore
him and he'll call you a ******, respond to his bigotted remarks and he
tries to play you like you're lucky to get an acknowledgement. Personally,
I've no idea why he bothers to subscribe here, there don't seem to be much
that pleases him...??



You
are looking for an extremely coloured unnatural sound - ...

Keith has made it clear for at least two or three years that what he's
after
from his kit is that it has to instill the right emotional response.
Dave's
comment is not based on what Keith has said - it's baseless.


OK, I think I can help out here - see below for an analogy....




That use of words
gets up some people's noses, particularly when it is directed at a
newbie who is seeking guidance in Hi Fi. I can see why.


Don's words I think - no idea why he says that, I've never 'advised' a
newbie to do anything other than grab cheap (but good) off eBay until
recently now that Arny's 'low rent, adequate' stuff is down to damn near
eBay prices! (My last purchases for 'ordinary, thrasher' kit have all been
from Argos and Lidls...??!!)

OK, quite by chance (I didn't take both these pix) I have what I think is a
good analogy for what I perceive to be the difference between analogue and
digital, valves and SS. See these very similar pix:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...Screenshot.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...Screenshot.jpg

They are both handheld snaps of virtually the same frame from the same film
film - one from a DLP projector and one from an LCD projector.

Initially, the DLP image doesn't strike you as sharp as that from the LCD
and DLP projectors suffer from 'artifacts' that are not present with LCD.
Also the DLP projector is noisier, runs hotter and is much bigger than the
LCD. If you have not seen a DLP projector and only use an LCD one, it will
satisfy you completely and they are very easy and convenient to use.

On paper the case for the LCD is strong, in reality the DLP ****es all over
it....