On 2006-09-03, Rob wrote:
Don Pearce wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:55:35 GMT, lordy wrote:

On 2006-09-03, Keith G wrote:
"lordy" wrote in message
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On 2006-09-03, Don Pearce wrote:
I've been thinking. I don't know this deck, so I have no idea how
flexible the various bits are, but is there any chance that when you
put it down on a soft, uneven surface, you are actually pushing the
bottom panel up sufficiently to touch the motor chassis? That could
easily have this sort of effect.
Hi,
Just checked with it resting on a firm flat surface, and holding it in
mid-air, same noise.

This positively screams *transit screws* to me - are you sure you've taken
them off??
Transit screws are off - honest!. Motor is freely suspended on elastic
band thingy. In fact just prior to your post I had removed the top of
the platter and put an old 7" on the lower platter and rested the
stylus on it so I could access the motor whilst turntable was in play
position. With the belt off I could feel the same vibration on the
motor, and when I pressed the motor to be in transit position the noise
was about 10 time louder. (same frequency though!)

You want jpegs

I have only had experience of one Debut myself but there were no such
problems with it. As you say, they have been reviewed many times and many
thousands have been sold - I have not seen anything like that noise
mentioned *anywhere* and no-one in his right mind would put up with it!! So,
unless you have been double unlucky (same batch/same shipment/same fault?) I
would say the fault lies with you
I can see your POV. From my above experiment it is definitely motor
vibration coming through and not electrical.

- try lifting the earth on the computer
mains lead (or better yet on an extension lead - **at your own risk**) and
see if it helps. I seem to remember having to do that at one time.....

Planks like the cheaper Debuts and Regas are never going to be the
*quietest* decks and spending your way further up this particular avenue
doesn't promise a fix, if you ask me. Also eBay can be a bit of a minefield
if you don't know what you are doing so I would try and get the deck you
have sorted. Is there somewhere else you can try it - another location or
can you borrow another deck to compare?
I'm gonna try to get them to play it at Richer Sounds. or try one last
exchange..
Where are you located? You could bring it here (St Neots, Cambs) and I could
'it it wiv a nammer for you....!! ;-)

Lordy



The motor really shouldn't be vibrating at all, certainly tho one in
my Systemdek doesn't. It certainly sounds like the suspension is
making the best it can of a rather bad situation. So the question is
really one of whether all Debut motors are like this, or you have yet
another bad one.


I've got a Debut III and the motor is slightly audible (feint hum/buzz),
but certainly doesn't vibrate/break through as described.

Please check out mp3s at http://www.lordy.org.uk/noise.html and compare
to yours.

I really wouldn't bother trying to get the Richer guys to listen to it
though - just tell them it is no good. They aren't Hi Fi people so
much as box shifters.


They're generally pretty good at taking stuff back IME.

Deck returned - no questions at all this time. IMO at least one question
indicates good service

On the TT I'm not sure of a decent alternative - the Thorens at RS looks
OK but I haven't heard it or seen reviews (and it's a fair bit more).

I'm tempted to look at the Goldring GR2.
Any opinions on this.

There is a Sevenoaks HI-Fi across the road from the Richer Sounds
(Bromley). I'm tempted to purchase turntables from bricks 'n' Mortar rather than
online ..


If
you're in/around S.Yorks you're quite welcome to my Debut - boxed/VG, 50UKP.

SE London I'm afraid!


Rob

Lordy