In article .com,
wrote:

Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article . com,
Andy Evans wrote:
Who are you to re-interpret his position and then claim he's lying ?
Graham


I'm a psychologist - like it or not, my job is to interpret what
people say or do.

And yet on more than one occasion you have attributed to me things I
neither said nor meant. Those reading recent postings may have seen a
number of exampless where I point out where you do this.


This is the typical out for passive aggressive behavior. When people are
called on it they typically say it was the other person's
misinterpretation.

Please read the examples I have given where Andy misrepresents what I said.
Note that he never actually quoted me saying what he asserted.

Have a look back through this thread. If you find some examples where you
feel that I have said that Andy misinterpreted me, but I am wrong, please
quote one or two, giving the details of the postings so that I and others
can examine them in context.

I appreciate that this can be quite difficult, though, as Andy does not
follow the usual usenet conventions regarding quoting and responding,
hence what he posts has often lost its context.

Please also see below...



I didn't say Jim was lying, and I wouldn't. He doesn't strike me as
the sort of person who would deliberately lie. I said his attitide
was hypocritical. You can't pretend to be the good guy and then turn
on people without expecting some comeback.

But I can hope that you might read and understand what I wrote, and
deal with that - rather than other ideas which you invent and
attribute to me but which I did not say, nor mean.


You either accept that you're being critical and deal with the
consequences or you do the whole nice guy thing and treat people
with grace and acceptance. I don't fall for all this faux ingenue
stuff of "I'm only asking for scentific proof, and I really don't
see what all the fuss is about".

Therein perhaps lays the key to the problem you have in not
understanding what I write. :-)


Do you find that a lot of people have this problem with what you write
;-) Ever consider the possibility that at least some the fault is yours?


Yes, it is certainly possible that some people do not understand what I
write. Indeed, this is why I may respond when someone posts something
that is based upon not having understood what was talking about.

I see some signs of this, for example, in what Andy says about some
of what I have written. However I have not seen any sign that "a lot"
of people have difficulty understanding what I have been writing. I
don't know how many people are reading this thread, nor what those
who have said nothing actually think one way or the other.


Let me invite everyone reading this thread to respond to the following
questions:


Do people think that what I have been saying is unclear and that I am
at fault for this? (No need for Andy or porky to answer this as their
views already seem apparent, but I'd be interested in what others may
say.)

As as specific example: Do people not see the distinction I make between
'evidence' and 'proof'?

I have no idea if anyone else *is* actually reading this thread to this
point, but it would be interesting to see what comments people might make.
It would not surprise me, though, to find that most people lost interest
ages ago and there are only two or three people still reading this. :-)



Let me also ask you, porky: Did you notice that, having read Andy's
comments, I then pointed out that - for example - I was talking about
evidence, not proof? Was that statement on my part unclear or difficult
to understand? Is the distinction I make between them unclear?

The purpose of my writing such responses is to correct misunderstandings.
It is a common human experience that misunderstandings will arise, but
the mechanism we have to deal with this is the feedback of pointing out
the mistake, as I have been doing.

Fortunately, I have found that most of my students over the years, and most
of those who have commented on what I have had published, seem to follow
most of what I have written/said.[1] It may be significant that most
students I teach are in physics and engineering, so already have a
background knowledge of the thinks I write about. But I can see that I
may well write things here which are unclear to some readers. No idea
if they are "a lot" or a large fraction of those reading, but my
impression over the years is that most of the people I discuss things
with seem to follow what I am saying OK.

[1] Of course, this does not necessarily mean they always agree with
me. :-)



BTW I have also never asked for "proof". That is not at all the same
thing as evidence. Do you not understand the distinction? But once
again it shows an example of you inventing something and using using
quotation marks to make it seem as if it was something I said or meant.


I think you missunderstood what he meant by those quotation marks. What
comes around goes around. Don't you agree?

No idea what you mean, I'm afraid. Perhaps you can quote what he said that
you are referring to, and explain more specifically.

Slainte,

Jim

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