Steven Sullivan wrote:
In rec.audio.tech wrote:
Steven Sullivan wrote:
In rec.audio.tech wrote:
Not at all. But then maybe iIm actually understanding what I read.
But not the parts about the limits of human hearing, or the sources of errors
in interpreting what is heard. These are what I was referring to as 'the
well-documented limitations of listening'.
Suffering from an identity crisis?
You should read up on them, they're *gold*.
I have actually. that is one of the many reasons I get such a laugh at
the idiots on Usenet and their complete misapplication and
misinerpretation of psychoacoustics. The idea that human hearing is
wrong while technical measurements are right when it comes to this
hobby is a prime example of that misapplication.
Yeah if the meter readers can't corilate the numbers to the aesthetic
experience there must be something wrong with the aesthetic expeience.
Hmm...did anyone *here* say that?
Pretty much.
Don't think so.
Even you are subject to Bias stevie. You se what you want to see.
I see what you want to see, too. It's quite obvious.
Do tell. What is it I want to to see? Share with us your insight.
That's about as backassward as it gets. in the world of meter readers
the perception must bend to meet the expectations given to them by the
measurements.
Well, correlation of objective reality to subjective reality has its merits.
It allowed the creation of things like audio gear and recordings.
It did? I had no idea Edison was relying on that.
Well, maybe you should do some reading on his work, too, then.
How about filling us in?
yet many vinylphiles seem less
interested in that than in promoting what they believe (often without basis)
are audible limitations of digital.
Maybe they are just looking for an explination for what they hear?
Oh, you mean, an objective correlate of their subjective experience? I thought that
was a nonstarter for you?
Maybe you are struggling with pronouns. When I say "they" i don't mean
"me."
Ah, you mean people like Keith,
No i don't.
my reply to whom set you off on this latest tirade.
tirade? Suffering from hypersensitivity? Did it really bother you that
much to be the sucker who set up my joke about meter readers all
sounding the same? It was just a poke.
Pretty basic English don't you think? "I" don't worry so much
about explinations unless I think they can narrow the scope of things I
look out for when making purchases. "My" focus is on thr results not
the explanations for those results.
Scott, you'd do best not to chastise others for their command of English.
You've embarrassed yourself enough as is.
Big difference between speeling errors and mistakes like confusing
"they" with" I." But really I don't think it was as much a language
problem with you as it was the trappings of your prejudices. Like I
said, you see what you want to see, not what I actually write. You talk
about me embarrassing myself. OK put up or shut up. Without taking
something out of context cite one thing that I have said about the
subject of LPs v. Cds on this thread that you think was embarrassingly
wrong. only rules are it has to be about the subject, I had to actually
say it and you have to leave it in the context inwhich it was said.
But you have hit on a wonderful example of the usefulness of explanations:
they help you evaluate the claims of advertisers and manufacturers. If the explanation is
technically or logically dubious, there's a good chance the claim is too.
That may or may not be. never really spent any time trying to study the
connection. But we aren't talking about that. Would you say the same is
true of audiophiles? Would you say the claims of cause offered by
audiophiles in any way reflects the claims of theaesthetic experiences
that spawn those explanations?
It's funny that having hit upon this, you backtracked immediately from it.
How did I back track?
if that is so terrible but attacking the perceptions as wrong because
they don't fit the meter reader's formulas is completely reasonable.
What's usually wrong is not the effort, but the execution. Vinylphile 'explanations' of
digital tend to be laughable nonsense.
But you love that don't you? makes you feel better about your faith in
the almighty meter.
Vinylphile stereotypes of the reality-based population tend to be laughable
nonsense too.
IOW yes.
Scott