"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
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"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
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Peter Wieck wrote:

I gave up the car altogether about 1990 and took up bicycling
instead.
Now I'm 91.5kg, not too far over the days when I was a rugby
player,

Hmmm.... that would be just under 202 pounds, figure at about
5'-9" (1.75 meters) = BMI of 29.8.... Using metric numbers, a BMI of
29.9. Obese is 30.

I'm 1.872M x 77Kg, which gives bmi = 21.948, and about the same as i
was
when 25.
but last year in July I was 95Kg, and bmi = 27, and I considered
myself
overweight.

Between last July and January, I rode about 200km a week, or about
5,000km,
and my weight reduced from 95Kg to 77Kg and probably I lost 20Kg of
fat,
about the weight of a seriously good monoblok tube amp,
or the equivalent of at least 5 x 4Litre cans of olive oil, and put on
about 2 Kg of muscle
which keeps me riding as fast as guys 30 years younger.
At one stage my daily weight records showed I lost Kgm a week.
I amused myself when I stalled trying to ride up some hills last July.
The riding is not a leisurely activity just to take in the sights and
sounds of nature,
but a form of self inflicted pain which is excruciatingly enjoyable,
especially when riding up steep long hills with elevated heart rates,
or pushing hard along a flat stretch to catch some dude way out in the
distance,
or to hang on behind the 30 year old.

If you ride real slow, say no faster than you'd jog, you get a sore
arse
and get bored, and the energy consumption
is less than walking, good for you, but not nearly as good if you
elevate the heart rate
for 3 hours straight and could barely talk to anyone if they were
present.
But not all the time, not while going down hill.
At a sweat inducing level, especially on a freezing cold day, one can
burn huge amounts of fats.
So best value from cycling is in the winter time, and because snow is
so
very rare here,
the cold cloudless skies of about now to September seem to have been
designed by God for cyclist
pleasure.

Even at my age perhaps i burn 600cals per hour and so a 4 hr ride uses
2,400 cals,
or about the same amount as I use in a 24hr day of sedentary life.
This equals about 200gms of fat, so 8 hrs a week uses 400gms of fat
if you still eat the same as when sedentary.

So the bicycle can create a calorie deficit.
The only way I could lose weight easily without feeling hungry all the
time
was to cycle, and switch my diet to a big salad each day and a
reduction
of meat and fat and carbohydrates to a minimum.
I completely gave up bread for the 6mths after July.
Processed food is the very worst crap you can ever eat, so i don't,
and
if everyone was like me
and couldn't be fooled easily, the whole food producing industry of
the
world
would go stone motherless broke.
The excess food that would then be available as natural
produce from US and Oz farmers could then feed the rest of the hungry
world
with ease.

When you get lean and fit, the natural heart rate at rest will fall
from
a common 64BPM down to
say 52BPM even if you are 60 like me. A young bloke of 25 who did the
exercize I take would
benefit even more greatly, and have a HR maybe 45.
When I was fit when 40, my HR was 47BPM.
Of course when you exercize, the body rebels to the torture, and
becomes
more efficient about
processing the food, so a little food goes a long way, so you won't
lose
weight if you exercize and
eat a pile of crappy fat rich garbage afterwards.
I like cabage based salads, 4 apples a day, maybe two bananas and an
orange,
a large serve of cooked oats and yogurt for breakfast; forget about
ham,
bacon, sausages,
soft drinks, cheeses, white breads, butter margerine, and all that
crap
in plastic packets
with lots of numbers on the label which mean its riddled with
dangerous
chemicals to make you feel hungry, and eat more.
protein comes from eggs, and lean meat and fish, which I cannot get
enough of
because what is now beiong sold as fish is often not fish, or its
really
crappy,
because mankind has cleaned out the world's oceans of fish.
So I feel guilty eating fish from the sea, not to mention its 5 times
the price
of lean bargain meats selling for $7 a Kg, enough to last me a week.
I do use some olive oil. Its good for anyone, and better than the fats
which I won't eat, and trim off the meat
before I cook it. Animal fat is also where a lot of pesticide and
hormone residues end up,
so don't eat fats. You don't need them and we didn't evolve to survive
off fats.
I never buy deep fried chips, or drink coka cola, its all crap.

Nathan Pritikin said in his book about nutrition for runners that all
you need is
to eat so that 80% of the energy comes from complex carbohydrates,
10% from proteins, and 10% from fats.

Since most UNREFINED grains or breads made with real wholemeal flour
has
the whole goodness kept in, not pulled out to get greed driven sales
elsewhere,
then it has the 20% of protien and fat you need, and the CH slow
burning
energy.
But even most wholemeal wheat breads are now using rapid yeasts and
chemicals and
I don't eat that anymore, and buy rye natural breads instead, and only
need a
couple of slices a day.


People in the US, UK and Oz are rapidly assuming pig like proportions.


When I am at the supermarket, I am appalled at the fat arse queus
lining
up with
trolleys full of crap.
Probably they suffer affluenza, the dysfunctional syndrome of living
too
high
and being anxious about everything, so they ain't fit, don't relate
well, and don't ****,
and feed their mouth instead.


I continue to ride about 150km a week and weight has stabilised,
and bmi appears to be a lot better in the mirror.
I treat myself to the occasional 100gm bar of Lindt 70% cocoa
choclate.
Its ****ing divine this stuff.
Its much better than buying a 600gram milk chocolate bar with less
cocoa
and piled high with fats and sugar,
and chemicals to make you buy more, along with hydrogenated fats to
give
long shelf life,
but which are really terrible for your heart.
There are attempts to ban what they are putting into foods now, and as
fast as the banners get stuff
banned, the chemists with no conscience dream up new chemicals.

If I have done 100km on a saturday, I will treat myself to a large
serve
of Bavarian Apple from Pancake Parlour, with ice cream and cream,
and unlike a couple of fat guys who play chess while I am there, I
don't
have diabetes, and
have earned the treat, which won't hurt me.
These fatsos don't do anything except sit around, and they are paying
the price.

Too much sitting on me arse chatting on news groups and typing up
website
pages and doing electronics had made me heavy.
Now when i have to go into a computer shop there are all these young
dudes and they all look a bit crook,
a bit overweight, and kinda grey, like their PCs have sucked the very
life out of them.

I played Rugby Union when at school, and frankly it was guys just
tumbling over each other,
and I went home sore and sorry after most games. Lord knows how many
unseen injuries meant trouble later in life. Cycling is much better,
unless you fall off, but even if you do, you recover so fast it
matters
not.
Cycling has speed, exhilaration, changing scenery, weather, varied
circumstances,
and needs alertness, rapid reflexes, careful judgements, and you learn
lessons
about life.

I am really lucky that there are hundreds of Km of cycling paths here
to
ride on,
and that don't include the mountain trails through the bush for which
a
mountain bike becomes sensible.
Mountain biking is about getting hot riding up steep climbs slowly,
and
descending
with care and putting up with a far rougher ride than on the road.
Modern bikes have suspension and are useable by folks like me over 50
without
enduring injuries.

And even though Canberra has 330,000 people I only have to ride 4Km
and
I am
in the middle of sheep paddocks and horse paddocks, and big wide
country
areas.
It ain't like London or NY, or Sydney.


If one calculates based on the "average" that individuals undercount
their weight by ~5 pounds, or 2kg, it is obese. In McCoy's case,
using only 2kg is generous given its love of the truth.

No wonder nothing but shadow-pictures, and claims of great height
(but
only while riding).

Rugby player...

Peter Wieck

So how do you stay fit Peter?

Patrick Turner.


Wyncote, PA

Patrick: I think your regiment is almost ideal for cardio-vascular
workouts. Do you not believe that working out for the upper body is also
important? There have been many studies that show longevity is best
accomplished by free weights. Nautilus equipment come in a close second
and
for the most part, is more practical.

Nicole and Kylie provide me with ample opportunity
for topside exercize.
They are very happy with my longevity as well.

The Nautilus sounds like a great idea, but
I am still searching for a suitable private ocean I can buy
to run such a nice sub with all mod cons for me and the gals of course.
They like to take turns using my depth sounder.

I am negotiating with Captain Nemo, who despite his age is a whiz on the
sextant,
and thus knows his way around, giant squids permitting....

But we had to tell him he could only play his organ if we all went
ashore....

The free weights you mention are not available yet in Oz and the prices
here
for weights are exorbident. Before being sold in fatness outlets,
there was a scam here involving weight supplies,
and a dealer offered very long weights online for a low fee, and many
people got caught and are
still weighting for the weights to arrive years later.

Unfortunately, last time I looked in at the gym, I was appalled by the
smell, the absurdity,
the loud raucus dance music, non audiophile PA gear, and all these ppl
working up a sweat but going nowhere,
and the far too few women didn't want to dance with anyone.
I heard you had to pay to go there! crayzee!!.

Patrick Turner.

To each his own. It's that very smell that attracts characters like Weick.
The gym I go to doesn't have a smell. At least it's hardly noticeable. After
using an apparatus, rules require the user to spray the equipment and wipe
it with a towel.
You must have sexy legs but a flabby torso. Look good in shorts as long as
you keep your shirt on?

west





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