In article , David Looser
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message


As for "making evaluations and comparisons", doing that in a
meaningful way is not something that is really within the province of
the amateur enthusiast. But of course we have Jim Lesurf here, who
far and away the most active and expert in this respect of those
currently on URA.

This would be a joke.

It's no joke. Jim has a real depth of understanding about audio, you
don't. It's that simple.

FWIW I'd just as soon not have my name dragged into arguments of this kind.
I don't think they make a lot of sense. And TBH I do think that methods
like ABX can be very useful. So I would not wish to belittle or dismiss
Arny, or indeed many other people's work. There are many serious audio pros
who have done far more than I to establish ways to assess audio on a
reliable basis. Alas, most of the public don't know about them as they tend
to only appear at professional meetings and journals.

Speaking as the inventor of the ABX listening test which has been
probably *the* hottest topic in the history of audio when it comes to
"making evaluations and comparisons"..

Making evaluations and comparisons isn't about some gimmicky "test",
it's about having a real understanding what you are doing and closely
controlling the variables.

Arny can ( and no doubt will :-) ) speak up in his own defence. But again I
would dissociate myself from the idea that ABX is a "gimmicky test". AIUI
it is, indeed, based on understanding and trying to deal with some of the
basic factors I referred to above. i.e. it is a useful method for dealing
with some of the methodological flaws which can be committed in 'informal'
tests. If in doubt about this I'd suggest looking at the serious work by
many audio professionals into the topic of how to run evaluations in a
decently controlled and assessable manner.

Like all such methods, it does need to be applied with due care and
understanding by the users. But that isn't a flaw with ABX, or various
other methodological/experimental techniques.

So if you wish to argue with Arny or anyone else on a "my Dad's bigger than
your Dad" I'd prefer not to be chosen as a "Dad" on either end of the
inequality. :-)

If someone appreciates work I've done. I am pleased to have been thought
helpful. And I don't expect to please everyone. But I don't regard this as
a competition, let alone a beauty contest!

Slainte,

Jim

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