"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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David Looser wrote:

Modern turntables work no better than those of the 1970s,

I would be interested to know, David, have you even seen,
let alone auditioned, a Verdier or SME?

No, I have seen neither. Indeed I've never even heard of a Verdier and,
whilst I am familiar with SME arms, I was not aware that they also made
turntables.

But say I had "auditioned" these turntables, what would that prove, unless
I had been able to compare them with every TT made in the 1970s? There are
many fine turntables dating from the 1970s which are still in use and
whose owners will claim sound every bit as good as anything more recent.

My claim "Modern turntables work no better than those of the 1970s" is
based on the fact that modern turntables work no differently from those of
the 1970s.


IOW, based on no experience whatsoever.


The TT is far from high-tech, on the contrary it's a very simple
machine whose requirements has been well understood for over half a
century. If you are claiming that mechanical engineering has improved
dramatically in recent years I suggest you look at some of the machines
the Victorians built. In view of the well-known performance limitations of
the vinyl medium even you must accept that there must be a point of
perfection in TTs beyond which no audible improvement will be apparent. I
suggest this point was reached by 1980 at the latest.


Pointless conjecture without actual experience of the relevant turntables.



So if you want to claim that modern TTs sound better than those of 40
years ago I suggest that some evidence would help your cause. I don't mean
personal anecdotes, but a properly conducted listening test.


Exactly, but not so 'easily 'doable' in the real world unless you have the
resources of a trade magazine, then you'll have the journos to write it all
up in a completely subjective, flowery and meaningless way. My own
turntables are a mix of 70s and 80s 'cooking quality' Lenco and two Technics
because, wait for it, I don't believe expensive turntables would sound any
better. But I don't actually *know* that because I haven't tried any really
expensive turntables....