On 12/04/2018 7:57 AM, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Trevor Wilson trevor@SPA
MBLOCKrageaudio.com.au scribeth thus
On 11/04/2018 7:26 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Trevor Wilson wrote:
Apart from the lack of extreme LF? Poor maximum SPL? Dreadful DP? Then
there is the fact that they simply won't work as intended in some rooms.

**I already explained, VERY CAREFULLY, that I make appropriate
allowances for speakers, according to their specific characteristics.

Apart, rather obviously, with the 3/5a which you describe as junk. Whose
designers should be shot. Without being able to give an example of speaker
designed at the same time which was better.

Don't think many loudspeaker manufacturers had an "on the tap" live
radio studio to help develop them..



As we would say in the UK, you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about
them. ;-)

**I can only say that there are a large number of very stupid buyers and
a bunch of unscrupulous manufacturers and retailers, for the LS3/5a to
continue to survive well past it's use-by date.



Of course they can sound great when everything is going for them - but
then so can the 3/5a.

**Nope. Not in 2018. Not in 1993 and not in 1983.

You are simply wrong about that.


**Then you need to get out more. I showed you a speaker which
comprehensively outperforms the LS3/5a in every meaningful measure, at a
vastly lower price. It was released sometime around 1992-ish. And, as I
previously stated, I owned a pair back in 1980-ish. They didn't last
long. I replaced them with a pair of Infinty Infinitesimals. In all
fairness, I cannot state that the Infinitys were any cheaper. In fact, I
think they may have been a good deal more expensive. If that's the case,
then I don't regard it as a fair fight. The NEARs, OTOH, clobbered the
LS3/5as, at a significantly lower price.



Please sir Trevor if that was the case why aren't they going on fleabay
for a decent wedge like the old despised 5A's?..

**First off: I am an Australian and, thankfully, we have dispensed with
Royal honours.

Second off: NEAR speakers were not widely distributed and only for a
relatively short period. The company was purchased by a larger entity
whose bean counters looked at the numbers from the hi fi market and
promptly shut that side of the business down. In much the same way that
many companies have done before them (Apogee, et al). The other, far
more obvious reason is that the NEAR 10M is so damned good that no owner
wants to sell them. I expect that mine will not leave my side for the
foreseeable future.

[ASIDE] For one of my clients, I took a pair of NEAR 10M speakers and
removed the bits from the enclosure. I then commissioned a pair of cast
sand/resin enclosures, which, empty weighed in at around 22kg! I then
reassembled the boxes and installed the speakers into his listening
room. He still runs them, after more than 20 years. The client is in
shipping and has more money than God (if such a creature were to exist,
of course) and has the choice of any speaker.




I can't find any anywhere unless you can direct me?.

**Since they haven't been manufactured for some years, they will be hard
to locate.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au