Real 'borgs don't spin vinyl

Some WannaBorg said:

I have been engaged in a debate about the "superiority" of LP over CD
measured stats (SNR/DR/FR/THD/Speed stability)
the CD case (pun)
a better transient response
system can response to rapidly rising or falling frequencies viz transients.
transient rise time of about 7 or 8 microseconds while CD is somewhat
slower at around 23 microseconds thus LP is theoretically better at
dealing with decay and such -
I would not have thought that 16 x 10
to the minus 6 seconds would be a perceptible difference
How would one go about measuring this in any case ?

Your technojabber is probably pointless enough for the 'borgs to accept you.
However, you need to upgrade your wetware to eliminate foolish questions
such as this one:

does this make any audible difference in practice

If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you
must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both
ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements.
If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing
to stop wondering if anything is audible.



--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

George M. Middius wrote:
Some WannaBorg said:


What ? - I post a perfectly reasonable question and am insulted - why ?


Your technojabber is probably pointless enough for the 'borgs to accept you.
However, you need to upgrade your wetware to eliminate foolish questions
such as this one:

does this make any audible difference in practice

Er, what is this all about - I dont see why this is a foolish question.
Some folks argue
that some properties of LP give rise to superior transient response to
CD, this may make
LP *audibly* superior in some respects - I see it as a legit question.
If I am using an incorrect
technical term I am happy to being corrected, but I see no need to get
rude.


If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you
must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both
ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements.
If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing
to stop wondering if anything is audible.

Well, I would contend that some measurements at least are meaningful,
such as
SNR which would indicate how much extraneous noise a system has, and
would
humbly suggest that less noise would be better - within the limits of
human perception
of course.

I dont know preciesely what you mean by "be a borg" , but I assume it
is an insult, this seems
somewhat uncalled for.

George M. Middius a scris:
Some WannaBorg said:

I have been engaged in a debate about the "superiority" of LP over CD
measured stats (SNR/DR/FR/THD/Speed stability)
the CD case (pun)
a better transient response
system can response to rapidly rising or falling frequencies viz transients.
transient rise time of about 7 or 8 microseconds while CD is somewhat
slower at around 23 microseconds thus LP is theoretically better at
dealing with decay and such -
I would not have thought that 16 x 10
to the minus 6 seconds would be a perceptible difference
How would one go about measuring this in any case ?

Your technojabber is probably pointless enough for the 'borgs to accept you.
However, you need to upgrade your wetware to eliminate foolish questions
such as this one:

does this make any audible difference in practice

If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you
must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both
ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements.
If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing
to stop wondering if anything is audible.



--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

George M. Middius a scris:


If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you
must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both
ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements.
If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing
to stop wondering if anything is audible.



He can have it both ways, but at the cost of an eye gouging.

George M. Middius wrote:
Some WannaBorg said:

I have been engaged in a debate about the "superiority" of LP over CD
measured stats (SNR/DR/FR/THD/Speed stability)
the CD case (pun)
a better transient response
system can response to rapidly rising or falling frequencies viz transients.
transient rise time of about 7 or 8 microseconds while CD is somewhat
slower at around 23 microseconds thus LP is theoretically better at
dealing with decay and such -
I would not have thought that 16 x 10
to the minus 6 seconds would be a perceptible difference
How would one go about measuring this in any case ?

Your technojabber is probably pointless enough for the 'borgs to accept you.
However, you need to upgrade your wetware to eliminate foolish questions
such as this one:

does this make any audible difference in practice

If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you
must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both
ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements.
If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing
to stop wondering if anything is audible.

Does it make an audible difference or not is not a question our
resident ridiculer accepts as pertinent.

You must ask if it makes you feel different.

Understand that George probably crushes one or both of his
nuts with a pair of vice grips before playing Metallica to
get in the proper frame of mind. After that audible
differences really have no bearing on his enjoyment.

ScottW

wrote:

What ? - I post a perfectly reasonable question and am insulted - why ?

You need to keep in mind that the "commander" is a pre-pubescent,
severely limited, utterly boring sock-puppet with neither imagination
nor creativity. When it has no direction from its various manipulators
it goes on petty rampages hoping for attention. It is this attention
that sustains it in its continuing bleating and puling. Most have it on
their "ignore" list, so it gets noticed only when it tricks a response
to its blatherings.

You will also note that it has no experience of, knowledge of nor even
does it own any tubes or tube-related equipment. Its presence in this
venue is only as a poor excuse for a gadfly and to be a foil for its
masters. Its other rote behavior and singular mission in its sorry
little life is to be the remora to Arny Kreuger's shark. Not much of a
shark, but far, far less of a remora.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

My god, Scottie Terrierdork made aNOTHer joke!

Understand that George probably crushes one or both of his
nuts with a pair of vice grips before playing Metallica to
get in the proper frame of mind. After that audible
differences really have no bearing on his enjoyment.

This bizarre, un-Scottie like behavior (two jokes in two days) must be
connected to some event you haven't disclosed. I think Shhhh was right about
the Chargers' loss having an effect on you, but wrong about the specifics. I
think you bet *against* the home team and won a pile of money when the team
lost. And that's why you're brimming with Scottie-humor of late.

BTW, your "vice[sic] grips" joke fell flat because I never listen to any
metal bands. A sophisticated version of the joke -- equally erroneous in its
premise, but palpably snider -- would have invoked Liza or Babs. Too bad you
missed that obvious opening, Scooter.




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I was posed with a similar question a couple of weeks ago. I was trying
to compare my TT to my CD player. I managed to find some old recordings
on vinyl for which I had CD's for and started this regime of
comparisions.

And trust me there is no commonality. Couple of things I should have
known...different technologies, different media materials. Though I
must admit the sound quality from the vinyl was more dynamic but lacked
bass and the on the CD it was tighter with a bit more bass. Both
sounded good and it was a futile exercise.

My conclusions were later 'harmonised' by a good man on this
newsgroup.I hope this helps.

Cheers

Max

George M. Middius wrote:
Some WannaBorg said:

I have been engaged in a debate about the "superiority" of LP over CD
measured stats (SNR/DR/FR/THD/Speed stability)
the CD case (pun)
a better transient response
system can response to rapidly rising or falling frequencies viz transients.
transient rise time of about 7 or 8 microseconds while CD is somewhat
slower at around 23 microseconds thus LP is theoretically better at
dealing with decay and such -
I would not have thought that 16 x 10
to the minus 6 seconds would be a perceptible difference
How would one go about measuring this in any case ?

Your technojabber is probably pointless enough for the 'borgs to accept you.
However, you need to upgrade your wetware to eliminate foolish questions
such as this one:

does this make any audible difference in practice

If you want to be a 'borg and fixate on meaningless measurements, then you
must forswear all reliance on subjective criteria. You can't have it both
ways: A human being cares about sound and a 'borg cares about measurements.
If you are ready to get fully implanted and assimilated, you must be willing
to stop wondering if anything is audible.



--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.