Hi All,

I've just replaced my 2 year old Kenwood Z838W with the new
KDC-PSW9527 head unit. (My car is a 2002 Toyota Celica 190 - the Z838
was a replacement for the standard Sony double-DIN
CD/cassette/receiver.)

The 9527 has a problem. Try as I might, I cannot get the clock to sync
with the RDS time signal. It mentions in the manual that this may take
"3-4 minutes", but I've sat with it tuned to all 4 BBC national
stations and to the BBC local station for 10 minutes each - nothing at
all.

I have "SYNC" set to on in the menu, and I've checked the aerial
connection. Radio reception is otherwise fine, and all other RDS
services (station name, traffic info, radio text) work as they should.

The Z838 had no problems with RDS clock time sync, connected to the
same loom and the same aerial. I've tried resetting the HU and
cleaning the aerial connection.

Has anyone got ny bright ideas? The HU is great in all other respects,
but given the price it was (!), I expect the CT service to work.

Many thanks for any advice,

Cheers,

Simon

"Simon Long" wrote in message
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Hi All,

I've just replaced my 2 year old Kenwood Z838W with the new
KDC-PSW9527 head unit.
All you need to say, this post is so funny as most of the rest you type is
tripe.

WTF does the make and model of the car have to do with the symptoms you
describe?
naturally you have changed your head unit and this feature is not
functioning, naturally the symptom is specific in this case to the head unit
not the car in any fashion, the clock time is derived from the 57Khz Fm
sideband rds data, if you read the manual this is user definable as to
whether this is implemented or not.

As an aside the current Celica s are ****e comparedto the previous model,
the exterior looks nice enough but the interior is drab , compare it with
the MR2 just my opinion.

"Avanti" wrote in message ...
"Simon Long" wrote in message
m...
Hi All,

I've just replaced my 2 year old Kenwood Z838W with the new
KDC-PSW9527 head unit.
All you need to say, this post is so funny as most of the rest you type is
tripe.

As opposed to *everything* you typed being tripe, but anyway...

WTF does the make and model of the car have to do with the symptoms you
describe?

Hmmm - interesting. I see from previous posts on this newsgroup that
you regard yourself as something of an expert in ICE, and yet it
hasn't occurred to you that in a problem with an RDS feature, the
*aerial* may be relevant...

naturally you have changed your head unit and this feature is not
functioning, naturally the symptom is specific in this case to the head unit
not the car in any fashion, the clock time is derived from the 57Khz Fm
sideband rds data, if you read the manual this is user definable as to
whether this is implemented or not.

And if you read my post (which apparently you didn't on account of it
being "tripe"), you would see that I had described switching this
feature on and off. Kenwood call it "SYNC" in their menus. I was
asking if there was any other setting, specific to this head unit,
that I had missed, before I returned it as faulty.

And for the record, you quoting jargon such as "57kHz Fm sideband rds
data" may impress some people with how much you know, but (to use your
own words) in the context of a reply to my question, it is "tripe".
(And irrelevant - which is what you accused me of being. Ah, the
irony!)

For what it's worth, I have worked as an electronics and software
designer for the past 12 years, including working on the internal
design of RDS radios. I almost certainly, therefore, know far more
about them than you do, so your patronising tone is a little
misplaced...

As an aside the current Celica s are ****e comparedto the previous model,
the exterior looks nice enough but the interior is drab , compare it with
the MR2 just my opinion.

"Just your opinion"? Sorry - wouldn't that make it irrelevant, and
"tripe"? But, since you asked me to, I'll compare the Celica to the
MR2 :
a) the Celica 190 is faster 0-60
b) the Celica 190 has a higher top speed
c) the Celica has more room for luggage
d) the Celica has more leg and head room for the driver
e) the Celica is more comfortable and quieter

Given that, only a hairdresser would choose the MR2. Is that what you
are? Could explain the name, I guess...

Now, do you have any *real* advice, or are you just trolling and
wasting my time?

S.

"Simon Long" wrote in message
om...
"Avanti" wrote in message
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"Simon Long" wrote in message
m...
Hi All,

I've just replaced my 2 year old Kenwood Z838W with the new
KDC-PSW9527 head unit.
All you need to say, this post is so funny as most of the rest you type
is
tripe.

As opposed to *everything* you typed being tripe, but anyway...

WTF does the make and model of the car have to do with the symptoms you
describe?

Hmmm - interesting. I see from previous posts on this newsgroup that
you regard yourself as something of an expert in ICE, and yet it
hasn't occurred to you that in a problem with an RDS feature, the
*aerial* may be relevant...

NO! if it worked on the last unit it should work on the current one.


naturally you have changed your head unit and this feature is not
functioning, naturally the symptom is specific in this case to the head
unit
not the car in any fashion, the clock time is derived from the 57Khz Fm
sideband rds data, if you read the manual this is user definable as to
whether this is implemented or not.

And if you read my post (which apparently you didn't on account of it
being "tripe"), you would see that I had described switching this
feature on and off. Kenwood call it "SYNC" in their menus. I was
asking if there was any other setting, specific to this head unit,
that I had missed, before I returned it as faulty.

The time is not adjusted if the station you are tuned to is not transmitting
a time signal. Also if you are such a radio expert you would should have
access to analysers to see what data stations are offering.


And for the record, you quoting jargon such as "57kHz Fm sideband rds
data" may impress some people with how much you know, but (to use your
own words) in the context of a reply to my question, it is "tripe".
(And irrelevant - which is what you accused me of being. Ah, the
irony!)


For what it's worth, I have worked as an electronics and software
designer for the past 12 years, including working on the internal
design of RDS radios. I almost certainly, therefore, know far more
about them than you do, so your patronising tone is a little
misplaced...

Only your lack of self esteem leads you to feel that I am patronising to
you!
As you do not know what I do for a living, you are in no position to make
such an invalid claim, still what has the car details got to do with the
symptoms?


So you would know that the RDS is transmitted on a 57khz sideband and also
that not all stations implement all of the available RDS functions.

As an aside the current Celica s are ****e comparedto the previous
model,
the exterior looks nice enough but the interior is drab , compare it
with
the MR2 just my opinion.

"Just your opinion"? Sorry - wouldn't that make it irrelevant, and
"tripe"? But, since you asked me to, I'll compare the Celica to the
MR2 :

I didn't ask you you to so why bite the bait?
If the car you have is what you deem most suitable for you, then do not
worry what others think of it, you cannot preach to the converted.
I think the cars have a drab interior as I sit in the car not outside it ,
that aspect is as important, the other evening I was 'racing' a Porsche
belonging to a well known footballer, the Porsche is somewhat much higher in
the performance stakes than my vehicle, yet due to the road conditions at
the time this could not be demonstrated by the owner of the Porsche.

Now back onto topic what are you going to do about your radio?

Simon,

I've had a very similar problem since replacing an old Philips
radio/cassette with a Kenwood in my Vectra. Most times the unit will lose
the time, sometimes even whilst driving along. Posted a thread here
previously but didn't get any solution.

Jim.

"Simon Long" wrote in message
m...
Hi All,

I've just replaced my 2 year old Kenwood Z838W with the new
KDC-PSW9527 head unit. (My car is a 2002 Toyota Celica 190 - the Z838
was a replacement for the standard Sony double-DIN
CD/cassette/receiver.)

The 9527 has a problem. Try as I might, I cannot get the clock to sync
with the RDS time signal. It mentions in the manual that this may take
"3-4 minutes", but I've sat with it tuned to all 4 BBC national
stations and to the BBC local station for 10 minutes each - nothing at
all.

I have "SYNC" set to on in the menu, and I've checked the aerial
connection. Radio reception is otherwise fine, and all other RDS
services (station name, traffic info, radio text) work as they should.

The Z838 had no problems with RDS clock time sync, connected to the
same loom and the same aerial. I've tried resetting the HU and
cleaning the aerial connection.

Has anyone got ny bright ideas? The HU is great in all other respects,
but given the price it was (!), I expect the CT service to work.

Many thanks for any advice,

Cheers,

Simon