In article , just me
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"Wally" wrote in message
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just me wrote:

In fact, my choice would be to look for an Arcam Black Box 500 which
you should be able to pick up for £200. Leaving aside the flexible
connectivity (which you might never use) it sounds bloody marvellous.
I use it with DAB & MD and soon Freeview, although not with CD
(prefer the sound of the 8000CD's in-built DAC, but that wont really
be an issue for you). I would also keep an eye out for the Alchemist
TS-D1 or TS-D2. The latter, in particular, was a terrific upgrade and
they are both quite compact.

Duly noted for the short list / price check.

How good, or not, is DAB through the external DAC?

It's a comparative thing. The DAC on my DAB tuner (Sony STD777es)
sounds
inferior then when compared with the sound whilst connected through the
DAC
of the Arcam Black Box 500. I would assume that lesser DAB tuners would
also
benefit in this manner. Yes the bitrate of the transmission has a large
bearing on the sound, but then so does the DAC. When I buy a new
Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts.

Yes better, but NICAM and FM still sound better.....

Hence, I don't use the external DAC with my CD player which, to my ears, has
a superior DAC built-in.

Now say 100 times:
"My dapper Dad's damn DAB DAC doesn't do DAT justice."



--
Tony Sayer

It's a comparative thing. The DAC on my DAB tuner (Sony STD777es)
sounds
inferior then when compared with the sound whilst connected through the
DAC
of the Arcam Black Box 500. I would assume that lesser DAB tuners would
also
benefit in this manner. Yes the bitrate of the transmission has a large
bearing on the sound, but then so does the DAC. When I buy a new
Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts.

Yes better, but NICAM and FM still sound better.....

Not really relevant though. No UK radio transmissions employ NICAM (do they
elsewhere?) whilst the radio services offered via Freeview aren't available
on FM.

Now say 100 times:
"My dapper Dad's damn DAB DAC doesn't do DAT justice."

Didn't hear you saying it )

In article , just me
writes
It's a comparative thing. The DAC on my DAB tuner (Sony STD777es)
sounds
inferior then when compared with the sound whilst connected through the
DAC
of the Arcam Black Box 500. I would assume that lesser DAB tuners would
also
benefit in this manner. Yes the bitrate of the transmission has a large
bearing on the sound, but then so does the DAC. When I buy a new
Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts.

Yes better, but NICAM and FM still sound better.....

Not really relevant though. No UK radio transmissions employ NICAM (do they
elsewhere?) whilst the radio services offered via Freeview aren't available
on FM.

NICAM is used to feed the main FM transmitters in the UK well BBC ones.

The extra radio channels on freeview are not available on FM as you
rightly point out. However freeview does use higher transmission rates
then T-DAB..

--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , just me
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It's a comparative thing. The DAC on my DAB tuner (Sony STD777es)
sounds
inferior then when compared with the sound whilst connected through
the
DAC
of the Arcam Black Box 500. I would assume that lesser DAB tuners
would
also
benefit in this manner. Yes the bitrate of the transmission has a
large
bearing on the sound, but then so does the DAC. When I buy a new
Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts.

Yes better, but NICAM and FM still sound better.....

Not really relevant though. No UK radio transmissions employ NICAM (do
they
elsewhere?) whilst the radio services offered via Freeview aren't
available
on FM.

NICAM is used to feed the main FM transmitters in the UK well BBC ones.

I should have been more specific, but I think it was clear I was refering to
domestic broadcast services and not network operations.

The extra radio channels on freeview are not available on FM as you
rightly point out. However freeview does use higher transmission rates
then T-DAB..

Which takes us back to my previous point, "When I buy a new Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts"

In article , just me
writes

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , just me
writes
It's a comparative thing. The DAC on my DAB tuner (Sony STD777es)
sounds
inferior then when compared with the sound whilst connected through
the
DAC
of the Arcam Black Box 500. I would assume that lesser DAB tuners
would
also
benefit in this manner. Yes the bitrate of the transmission has a
large
bearing on the sound, but then so does the DAC. When I buy a new
Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts.

Yes better, but NICAM and FM still sound better.....

Not really relevant though. No UK radio transmissions employ NICAM (do
they
elsewhere?) whilst the radio services offered via Freeview aren't
available
on FM.

NICAM is used to feed the main FM transmitters in the UK well BBC ones.

I should have been more specific, but I think it was clear I was refering to
domestic broadcast services and not network operations.

Well the higher rate of the NICAM distribution enhances the FM
signal:-))

The extra radio channels on freeview are not available on FM as you
rightly point out. However freeview does use higher transmission rates
then T-DAB..

Which takes us back to my previous point, "When I buy a new Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts"



--
Tony Sayer

In article , just me
writes

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , just me
writes
It's a comparative thing. The DAC on my DAB tuner (Sony STD777es)
sounds
inferior then when compared with the sound whilst connected through
the
DAC
of the Arcam Black Box 500. I would assume that lesser DAB tuners
would
also
benefit in this manner. Yes the bitrate of the transmission has a
large
bearing on the sound, but then so does the DAC. When I buy a new
Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts.

Yes better, but NICAM and FM still sound better.....

Not really relevant though. No UK radio transmissions employ NICAM (do
they
elsewhere?) whilst the radio services offered via Freeview aren't
available
on FM.

NICAM is used to feed the main FM transmitters in the UK well BBC ones.

I should have been more specific, but I think it was clear I was refering to
domestic broadcast services and not network operations.

Well the higher rate of the NICAM distribution enhances the FM
signal:-))

The extra radio channels on freeview are not available on FM as you
rightly point out. However freeview does use higher transmission rates
then T-DAB..

Which takes us back to my previous point, "When I buy a new Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts"



--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , just me
writes
It's a comparative thing. The DAC on my DAB tuner (Sony STD777es)
sounds
inferior then when compared with the sound whilst connected through
the
DAC
of the Arcam Black Box 500. I would assume that lesser DAB tuners
would
also
benefit in this manner. Yes the bitrate of the transmission has a
large
bearing on the sound, but then so does the DAC. When I buy a new
Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts.

Yes better, but NICAM and FM still sound better.....

Not really relevant though. No UK radio transmissions employ NICAM (do
they
elsewhere?) whilst the radio services offered via Freeview aren't
available
on FM.

NICAM is used to feed the main FM transmitters in the UK well BBC ones.

I should have been more specific, but I think it was clear I was refering to
domestic broadcast services and not network operations.

The extra radio channels on freeview are not available on FM as you
rightly point out. However freeview does use higher transmission rates
then T-DAB..

Which takes us back to my previous point, "When I buy a new Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts"

In article , just me
writes
It's a comparative thing. The DAC on my DAB tuner (Sony STD777es)
sounds
inferior then when compared with the sound whilst connected through the
DAC
of the Arcam Black Box 500. I would assume that lesser DAB tuners would
also
benefit in this manner. Yes the bitrate of the transmission has a large
bearing on the sound, but then so does the DAC. When I buy a new
Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts.

Yes better, but NICAM and FM still sound better.....

Not really relevant though. No UK radio transmissions employ NICAM (do they
elsewhere?) whilst the radio services offered via Freeview aren't available
on FM.

NICAM is used to feed the main FM transmitters in the UK well BBC ones.

The extra radio channels on freeview are not available on FM as you
rightly point out. However freeview does use higher transmission rates
then T-DAB..

--
Tony Sayer

It's a comparative thing. The DAC on my DAB tuner (Sony STD777es)
sounds
inferior then when compared with the sound whilst connected through the
DAC
of the Arcam Black Box 500. I would assume that lesser DAB tuners would
also
benefit in this manner. Yes the bitrate of the transmission has a large
bearing on the sound, but then so does the DAC. When I buy a new
Freeview
box with digital output next month I should benefit from the superior
bitrates seemingly available via this platform with some broadcasts.

Yes better, but NICAM and FM still sound better.....

Not really relevant though. No UK radio transmissions employ NICAM (do they
elsewhere?) whilst the radio services offered via Freeview aren't available
on FM.

Now say 100 times:
"My dapper Dad's damn DAB DAC doesn't do DAT justice."

Didn't hear you saying it )