Ian Bell wrote:

Dave xxxxxxxxx wrote:


Hi,

Are your ears burning? you are being talked about on Hi Fi Choice forum



http://forum.hifichoice.co.uk/viewto...postorder=asc&

start=30


regards

Dave xxxxxx



Intrigueing. I was not aware that people sell cables that deliberately roll
off the HF end and claim they sound better and not only that sell them for
lots of cash. Amazing.

Ian


QED Silver Spiral is one example IMHO, you can tell them in a AB from
normal maplin shark. Just makes the sound polite and nice. Well thats
one way to describe it, another is dull, and lacking in treble. Its not
a huge difference, but I bet its enough in a HiFi shop to make a harsh
system sound more listenable.

--
Nick

"Nick Gorham" wrote in message


QED Silver Spiral is one example IMHO, you can tell them in a AB from
normal maplin shark. Just makes the sound polite and nice. Well thats
one way to describe it, another is dull, and lacking in treble. Its
not a huge difference, but I bet its enough in a HiFi shop to make a
harsh system sound more listenable.

Looking at their specs

http://www.qed.co.uk/cables/incon/qunex_ss.html

While they have about 90 pF/foot capacitance, it's not enough to make an
audible change in typical lengths with typically well-designed hi fi gear.

"Nick Gorham" wrote in message


QED Silver Spiral is one example IMHO, you can tell them in a AB from
normal maplin shark. Just makes the sound polite and nice. Well thats
one way to describe it, another is dull, and lacking in treble. Its
not a huge difference, but I bet its enough in a HiFi shop to make a
harsh system sound more listenable.

Looking at their specs

http://www.qed.co.uk/cables/incon/qunex_ss.html

While they have about 90 pF/foot capacitance, it's not enough to make an
audible change in typical lengths with typically well-designed hi fi gear.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:50:53 +0000, Nick Gorham
wrote:

Ian Bell wrote:

Dave xxxxxxxxx wrote:


Hi,

Are your ears burning? you are being talked about on Hi Fi Choice forum



http://forum.hifichoice.co.uk/viewto...postorder=asc&

start=30


regards

Dave xxxxxx



Intrigueing. I was not aware that people sell cables that deliberately roll
off the HF end and claim they sound better and not only that sell them for
lots of cash. Amazing.

Ian

QED Silver Spiral is one example IMHO, you can tell them in a AB from
normal maplin shark.

No, you can't - not unless you *know* what's connected.

Just makes the sound polite and nice. Well thats
one way to describe it, another is dull, and lacking in treble. Its not
a huge difference, but I bet its enough in a HiFi shop to make a harsh
system sound more listenable.

Bull****. As noted, you can pick up an easy grand if you really can do
this. Want a ten grand sidebet? :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:50:53 +0000, Nick Gorham
wrote:


Ian Bell wrote:


Dave xxxxxxxxx wrote:



Hi,

Are your ears burning? you are being talked about on Hi Fi Choice forum



http://forum.hifichoice.co.uk/viewto...postorder=asc&

start=30


regards

Dave xxxxxx



Intrigueing. I was not aware that people sell cables that deliberately roll
off the HF end and claim they sound better and not only that sell them for
lots of cash. Amazing.

Ian


QED Silver Spiral is one example IMHO, you can tell them in a AB from
normal maplin shark.


No, you can't - not unless you *know* what's connected.


Just makes the sound polite and nice. Well thats
one way to describe it, another is dull, and lacking in treble. Its not
a huge difference, but I bet its enough in a HiFi shop to make a harsh
system sound more listenable.


Bull****. As noted, you can pick up an easy grand if you really can do
this. Want a ten grand sidebet? :-)

No thanks, However I will repeat the test today, and see if its possible
to measure any difference.

--
Nick

Nick Gorham wrote:


Bull****. As noted, you can pick up an easy grand if you really can do
this. Want a ten grand sidebet? :-)


No thanks, However I will repeat the test today, and see if its possible
to measure any difference.


Given the capacitance Arny quoted that would be a -0.1db at 20k
compaired to 2k, I agree that you may not be able to hear that, but I
wonder if the 9deg phase shift would be audible.

This is based on a 5k source impedance which is about what my phono is,
you may (with some justification) argue that thats higher that it would
be with a competently designed SS source, but thats what I was using
when I heard the difference I described.

--
Nick

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:12 +0000, Nick Gorham
wrote:

Nick Gorham wrote:


Bull****. As noted, you can pick up an easy grand if you really can do
this. Want a ten grand sidebet? :-)


No thanks, However I will repeat the test today, and see if its possible
to measure any difference.


Given the capacitance Arny quoted that would be a -0.1db at 20k
compaired to 2k, I agree that you may not be able to hear that, but I
wonder if the 9deg phase shift would be audible.

It's not, and there's a £1,000 guarantee on that! :-)

This is based on a 5k source impedance which is about what my phono is,
you may (with some justification) argue that thats higher that it would
be with a competently designed SS source, but thats what I was using
when I heard the difference I described.

Let's be clear about this - I don't believe that you 'heard' anything
with a real physical existence. A high output resistance can certainly
introduce a noticeable treble droop with a long run of
high-capacitance cable, but what you're describing should be barely
measureable, and certainly not at all audible.

OTOH, I can of course easily demonstrate dufferences between two
cables, which you will easily hear - even though I won't actually have
switched the cables....................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:


This is based on a 5k source impedance which is about what my phono is,
you may (with some justification) argue that thats higher that it would
be with a competently designed SS source, but thats what I was using
when I heard the difference I described.


Let's be clear about this - I don't believe that you 'heard' anything
with a real physical existence. A high output resistance can certainly
introduce a noticeable treble droop with a long run of
high-capacitance cable, but what you're describing should be barely
measureable, and certainly not at all audible.

OTOH, I can of course easily demonstrate dufferences between two
cables, which you will easily hear - even though I won't actually have
switched the cables....................


Well after trying again, I still believe I can hear a describable and
dectable difference. However attempting to record this to PC has failed
I can't tell the recordings apart (even though I know which is which).
But thats not that odd as there is 15 foot of thin shielded cable
between the amp and PC. I may try again tomorrow with a buffer driving
the cable to the PC.

Next time I have a extra set of hands about, I will try and do a more
controlled comparison between the cables.

--
Nick

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:


This is based on a 5k source impedance which is about what my phono is,
you may (with some justification) argue that thats higher that it would
be with a competently designed SS source, but thats what I was using
when I heard the difference I described.


Let's be clear about this - I don't believe that you 'heard' anything
with a real physical existence. A high output resistance can certainly
introduce a noticeable treble droop with a long run of
high-capacitance cable, but what you're describing should be barely
measureable, and certainly not at all audible.

OTOH, I can of course easily demonstrate dufferences between two
cables, which you will easily hear - even though I won't actually have
switched the cables....................


Well after trying again, I still believe I can hear a describable and
dectable difference. However attempting to record this to PC has failed
I can't tell the recordings apart (even though I know which is which).
But thats not that odd as there is 15 foot of thin shielded cable
between the amp and PC. I may try again tomorrow with a buffer driving
the cable to the PC.

Next time I have a extra set of hands about, I will try and do a more
controlled comparison between the cables.

--
Nick

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:12 +0000, Nick Gorham
wrote:

Nick Gorham wrote:


Bull****. As noted, you can pick up an easy grand if you really can do
this. Want a ten grand sidebet? :-)


No thanks, However I will repeat the test today, and see if its possible
to measure any difference.


Given the capacitance Arny quoted that would be a -0.1db at 20k
compaired to 2k, I agree that you may not be able to hear that, but I
wonder if the 9deg phase shift would be audible.

It's not, and there's a £1,000 guarantee on that! :-)

This is based on a 5k source impedance which is about what my phono is,
you may (with some justification) argue that thats higher that it would
be with a competently designed SS source, but thats what I was using
when I heard the difference I described.

Let's be clear about this - I don't believe that you 'heard' anything
with a real physical existence. A high output resistance can certainly
introduce a noticeable treble droop with a long run of
high-capacitance cable, but what you're describing should be barely
measureable, and certainly not at all audible.

OTOH, I can of course easily demonstrate dufferences between two
cables, which you will easily hear - even though I won't actually have
switched the cables....................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering