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Laurence Payne January 4th 04 08:31 PM

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:44:41 -0000, "Oliver Keating"
wrote:

One simple but effective way I have found to test hi-fi is to have it
playing a recording, and then have a microphone positioned in an ideal
location recording the output.

With really high end stuff, the recording will be indistinguishable from the
original, but of course there is degredation directly related to the
speakers/amps, so perhaps a could test would be to record the recording, and
repeat until a blind test reveals the difference between the original and
the recorded, and simply note the number of recordings it took.

Btw - what thousand pound amplifiers have a several percent distortion?



You have actually, personally, found this a good way to test hifi
gear? Sorry, I don't believe you :-)

Laurence Payne January 4th 04 08:32 PM

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:22:52 -0000, "Wally"
wrote:


Please point me at a £100 CD player that sounds better than my DAC.


The point is rather whether you can show him an expensive unit that
sounds better than the £100 one ;-)

Laurence Payne January 4th 04 08:32 PM

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:22:52 -0000, "Wally"
wrote:


Please point me at a £100 CD player that sounds better than my DAC.


The point is rather whether you can show him an expensive unit that
sounds better than the £100 one ;-)

David January 4th 04 09:12 PM

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 

This does not mean they are accurate. Aural exciters use this
very technique.

Ian


Pardon my hignorance.....What's an Aural exciter and what is it used for?

David



David January 4th 04 09:12 PM

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 

This does not mean they are accurate. Aural exciters use this
very technique.

Ian


Pardon my hignorance.....What's an Aural exciter and what is it used for?

David



Alex Butcher January 4th 04 11:12 PM

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 19:24:00 +0000, Oliver Keating wrote:

Anyway my 2 cents is this:

Speakers should get 60% of the total budget.
Amp should get up to 40% of the total budget
CD player - £100 absolute maximum (even for a very high end system)


I think we're thinking along the same lines. Speakers are Human IO and
amps are central components. Your budget allocation strategy isn't at all
unreasonable to me.

Best Regards,
Alex.
--
Alex Butcher Brainbench MVP for Internet Security: www.brainbench.com
Bristol, UK Need reliable and secure network systems?
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Alex Butcher January 4th 04 11:12 PM

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 19:24:00 +0000, Oliver Keating wrote:

Anyway my 2 cents is this:

Speakers should get 60% of the total budget.
Amp should get up to 40% of the total budget
CD player - £100 absolute maximum (even for a very high end system)


I think we're thinking along the same lines. Speakers are Human IO and
amps are central components. Your budget allocation strategy isn't at all
unreasonable to me.

Best Regards,
Alex.
--
Alex Butcher Brainbench MVP for Internet Security: www.brainbench.com
Bristol, UK Need reliable and secure network systems?
PGP/GnuPG ID:0x271fd950 http://www.assursys.com/


Wally January 5th 04 12:56 AM

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 
Laurence Payne wrote:

Please point me at a £100 CD player that sounds better than my DAC.


The point is rather whether you can show him an expensive unit that
sounds better than the £100 one ;-)


Easy - my mate's Arcam CD player. (Might be an 8se.) Hearing it wipe the
floor with my 100 quid player led to the DAC. My player has digital out, and
it was the cheapest way to an improvement of a similar order of magnitude.


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar




Wally January 5th 04 12:56 AM

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 
Laurence Payne wrote:

Please point me at a £100 CD player that sounds better than my DAC.


The point is rather whether you can show him an expensive unit that
sounds better than the £100 one ;-)


Easy - my mate's Arcam CD player. (Might be an 8se.) Hearing it wipe the
floor with my 100 quid player led to the DAC. My player has digital out, and
it was the cheapest way to an improvement of a similar order of magnitude.


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar




Laurence Payne January 5th 04 02:06 AM

"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
 

This does not mean they are accurate. Aural exciters use this
very technique.

Ian


Pardon my hignorance.....What's an Aural exciter and what is it used for?


The original Aural Exciter was a box made by Aphex several decades
ago. It was flavour-of-the-month for a time. I think at the
beginning you could only hire it, not buy it outright. It gave your
recordings special "magic" ;-) It was mostly even-order distortion, I
think. Probably some eq and compression as well.



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