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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:03:30 GMT
(pmailkeey) wrote: Why ? Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? Poorly thought out question. Where can you get internet? -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:03:30 GMT
(pmailkeey) wrote: Why ? Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? Poorly thought out question. Where can you get internet? -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? -- Comm again, Mike. |
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"pmailkeey" wrote in message ... Why ? Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? 1. Try getting high quality internet radio in your car without an expensive and not-dependable GPRS subscription 2. Try getting the same in your pocket 3. Try getting broadband internet out in rural areas (other than satellite) DAB is great, and it works, could do with better bandwidth on some stations but the sound quality tradeoffs are there with every medium and format. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 27/12/2003 |
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"pmailkeey" wrote in message ... Why ? Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? 1. Try getting high quality internet radio in your car without an expensive and not-dependable GPRS subscription 2. Try getting the same in your pocket 3. Try getting broadband internet out in rural areas (other than satellite) DAB is great, and it works, could do with better bandwidth on some stations but the sound quality tradeoffs are there with every medium and format. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 27/12/2003 |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:51 -0000, Tim S Kemp
wrote: "pmailkeey" wrote in message ... Why ? Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? 1. Try getting high quality internet radio in your car without an expensive and not-dependable GPRS subscription 2. Try getting the same in your pocket 3. Try getting broadband internet out in rural areas (other than satellite) I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. -- Jim H jh @333 .org |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:51 -0000, Tim S Kemp
wrote: "pmailkeey" wrote in message ... Why ? Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? 1. Try getting high quality internet radio in your car without an expensive and not-dependable GPRS subscription 2. Try getting the same in your pocket 3. Try getting broadband internet out in rural areas (other than satellite) I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. -- Jim H jh @333 .org |
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"Jim H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:51 -0000, Tim S Kemp wrote: "pmailkeey" wrote in message ... Why ? Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? 1. Try getting high quality internet radio in your car without an expensive and not-dependable GPRS subscription 2. Try getting the same in your pocket 3. Try getting broadband internet out in rural areas (other than satellite) I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. As is the way with all things 'digital' - it's called 'progress'....... (!!!???) Ya hafta fekkin' larf....... :-) |
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"Jim H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:51 -0000, Tim S Kemp wrote: "pmailkeey" wrote in message ... Why ? Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? 1. Try getting high quality internet radio in your car without an expensive and not-dependable GPRS subscription 2. Try getting the same in your pocket 3. Try getting broadband internet out in rural areas (other than satellite) I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. As is the way with all things 'digital' - it's called 'progress'....... (!!!???) Ya hafta fekkin' larf....... :-) |
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In article , Keith G
writes "Jim H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:51 -0000, Tim S Kemp wrote: "pmailkeey" wrote in message ... Why ? Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? 1. Try getting high quality internet radio in your car without an expensive and not-dependable GPRS subscription 2. Try getting the same in your pocket 3. Try getting broadband internet out in rural areas (other than satellite) I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. As is the way with all things 'digital' - it's called 'progress'....... (!!!???) Ya hafta fekkin' larf....... :-) Cry more like with the UK implementation of Dab:-(( -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Keith G
writes "Jim H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:51 -0000, Tim S Kemp wrote: "pmailkeey" wrote in message ... Why ? Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet provides global digital radio & tv ? 1. Try getting high quality internet radio in your car without an expensive and not-dependable GPRS subscription 2. Try getting the same in your pocket 3. Try getting broadband internet out in rural areas (other than satellite) I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. As is the way with all things 'digital' - it's called 'progress'....... (!!!???) Ya hafta fekkin' larf....... :-) Cry more like with the UK implementation of Dab:-(( -- Tony Sayer |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:55:49 -0000
"Keith G" wrote: I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. As is the way with all things 'digital' - it's called 'progress'....... Continuous rapid improvement? count me in! -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:55:49 -0000
"Keith G" wrote: I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. As is the way with all things 'digital' - it's called 'progress'....... Continuous rapid improvement? count me in! -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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In article , Ian Molton
writes On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:55:49 -0000 "Keith G" wrote: I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. As is the way with all things 'digital' - it's called 'progress'....... Continuous rapid improvement? count me in! Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of digital.... -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Ian Molton
writes On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:55:49 -0000 "Keith G" wrote: I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. As is the way with all things 'digital' - it's called 'progress'....... Continuous rapid improvement? count me in! Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of digital.... -- Tony Sayer |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:06:11 +0000
tony sayer wrote: Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of digital.... it'll improve though - its not like its incapable of better data rates - and they can transmit any data, its only a serial stream... (why mpeg layer 2 audio baffles me though...) -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:06:11 +0000
tony sayer wrote: Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of digital.... it'll improve though - its not like its incapable of better data rates - and they can transmit any data, its only a serial stream... (why mpeg layer 2 audio baffles me though...) -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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In article , Ian Molton
writes On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:06:11 +0000 tony sayer wrote: Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of digital.... it'll improve though - its not like its incapable of better data rates - and they can transmit any data, its only a serial stream... (why mpeg layer 2 audio baffles me though...) Really?, Better data rates?, is been a downward spiral since it started. Stations in Mono at 64 K/bits?, not my idea of quality. MP2 was about the only thing around at the time and one of its great shortcomings ins the fixed codec's in use;-( -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Ian Molton
writes On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:06:11 +0000 tony sayer wrote: Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of digital.... it'll improve though - its not like its incapable of better data rates - and they can transmit any data, its only a serial stream... (why mpeg layer 2 audio baffles me though...) Really?, Better data rates?, is been a downward spiral since it started. Stations in Mono at 64 K/bits?, not my idea of quality. MP2 was about the only thing around at the time and one of its great shortcomings ins the fixed codec's in use;-( -- Tony Sayer |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Ian Molton writes On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:55:49 -0000 "Keith G" wrote: I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. As is the way with all things 'digital' - it's called 'progress'....... Continuous rapid improvement? count me in! Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of digital.... That ain't the only downside, believe you me - as you're 'local' I will repeat (yet again) that Shiny Nigel from A N Audio (St Neots) stood with his mouth hanging open the first time he heard my valves and vinyl and said 'what have we done to audio for the last 30 years - we've only made it WORSE' (or words to that effect and that was a few 'generations of decks and carts and phono stages ago!)!!!* And he's tit-deep in audio gear including Krell** (from time to time) amd JBL Paragons***! 'Bout time a few people round here woke up and realised that 'digital everything' is being ground down globally to make it easier to lift Joe Public's wallet and true 'audiophiles' are paying through the nose just trying to make sense of it. Explanation - £40 DVDP vs. £4,000 CDP.......!!?? How TF can that make any sense? (Doesn't even make sense with turntables where at least you see where the workmanship has/hasn't gone into the product!) *Maybe it was just the music - the crap he brought round here for me to, er, 'sample' wasn't up to much I can tell you! **Not that I thought much of it - I only use that as an example as people (who should know better) can be impressed by it. ***Nor these (at £2,800) for that matter - they've still got these in, go and see for yourself just how bland they can sound.... |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Ian Molton writes On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:55:49 -0000 "Keith G" wrote: I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor stopgap while we wait for better things. As is the way with all things 'digital' - it's called 'progress'....... Continuous rapid improvement? count me in! Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of digital.... That ain't the only downside, believe you me - as you're 'local' I will repeat (yet again) that Shiny Nigel from A N Audio (St Neots) stood with his mouth hanging open the first time he heard my valves and vinyl and said 'what have we done to audio for the last 30 years - we've only made it WORSE' (or words to that effect and that was a few 'generations of decks and carts and phono stages ago!)!!!* And he's tit-deep in audio gear including Krell** (from time to time) amd JBL Paragons***! 'Bout time a few people round here woke up and realised that 'digital everything' is being ground down globally to make it easier to lift Joe Public's wallet and true 'audiophiles' are paying through the nose just trying to make sense of it. Explanation - £40 DVDP vs. £4,000 CDP.......!!?? How TF can that make any sense? (Doesn't even make sense with turntables where at least you see where the workmanship has/hasn't gone into the product!) *Maybe it was just the music - the crap he brought round here for me to, er, 'sample' wasn't up to much I can tell you! **Not that I thought much of it - I only use that as an example as people (who should know better) can be impressed by it. ***Nor these (at £2,800) for that matter - they've still got these in, go and see for yourself just how bland they can sound.... |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:38:38 -0000
"Keith G" wrote: Explanation - _40 DVDP vs. _4,000 CDP.......!!?? How TF can that make any sense? 4,000 for a CD player cant ever make sense. there just isnt room for 4000 UKP worth of part and workmanship in there. just buy a good external DAC and be done with it. then the lense on your CDP can be pushed along by ants, and the cat can urinate on its DAC, and it will STILL sound the same as the day you bought it for 20ukp... -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:38:38 -0000
"Keith G" wrote: Explanation - _40 DVDP vs. _4,000 CDP.......!!?? How TF can that make any sense? 4,000 for a CD player cant ever make sense. there just isnt room for 4000 UKP worth of part and workmanship in there. just buy a good external DAC and be done with it. then the lense on your CDP can be pushed along by ants, and the cat can urinate on its DAC, and it will STILL sound the same as the day you bought it for 20ukp... -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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Keith I could'nt agree more with your comments!!!!! The term "digital" is everywhere as if it is the great way forward........forward for the manufacturers because it cheaper to produce maybe.......but sound wise.........not all it is cracked up to be...... Gary (give me analogue any time) Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of digital.... That ain't the only downside, believe you me - as you're 'local' I will repeat (yet again) that Shiny Nigel from A N Audio (St Neots) stood with his mouth hanging open the first time he heard my valves and vinyl and said 'what have we done to audio for the last 30 years - we've only made it WORSE' (or words to that effect and that was a few 'generations of decks and carts and phono stages ago!)!!!* And he's tit-deep in audio gear including Krell** (from time to time) amd JBL Paragons***! 'Bout time a few people round here woke up and realised that 'digital everything' is being ground down globally to make it easier to lift Joe Public's wallet and true 'audiophiles' are paying through the nose just trying to make sense of it. Explanation - £40 DVDP vs. £4,000 CDP.......!!?? How TF can that make any sense? (Doesn't even make sense with turntables where at least you see where the workmanship has/hasn't gone into the product!) *Maybe it was just the music - the crap he brought round here for me to, er, 'sample' wasn't up to much I can tell you! **Not that I thought much of it - I only use that as an example as people (who should know better) can be impressed by it. ***Nor these (at £2,800) for that matter - they've still got these in, go and see for yourself just how bland they can sound.... |
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Keith I could'nt agree more with your comments!!!!! The term "digital" is everywhere as if it is the great way forward........forward for the manufacturers because it cheaper to produce maybe.......but sound wise.........not all it is cracked up to be...... Gary (give me analogue any time) Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of digital.... That ain't the only downside, believe you me - as you're 'local' I will repeat (yet again) that Shiny Nigel from A N Audio (St Neots) stood with his mouth hanging open the first time he heard my valves and vinyl and said 'what have we done to audio for the last 30 years - we've only made it WORSE' (or words to that effect and that was a few 'generations of decks and carts and phono stages ago!)!!!* And he's tit-deep in audio gear including Krell** (from time to time) amd JBL Paragons***! 'Bout time a few people round here woke up and realised that 'digital everything' is being ground down globally to make it easier to lift Joe Public's wallet and true 'audiophiles' are paying through the nose just trying to make sense of it. Explanation - £40 DVDP vs. £4,000 CDP.......!!?? How TF can that make any sense? (Doesn't even make sense with turntables where at least you see where the workmanship has/hasn't gone into the product!) *Maybe it was just the music - the crap he brought round here for me to, er, 'sample' wasn't up to much I can tell you! **Not that I thought much of it - I only use that as an example as people (who should know better) can be impressed by it. ***Nor these (at £2,800) for that matter - they've still got these in, go and see for yourself just how bland they can sound.... |
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In article ,
Gary wrote: The term "digital" is everywhere as if it is the great way forward........forward for the manufacturers because it cheaper to produce maybe.......but sound wise.........not all it is cracked up to be...... Depends on what you mean as digital is a very broad church. Try producing an analogue system that will hold many hours worth of material and fit in your pocket. With analogue recordings, even the very best systems ever devised produced some degradation - easily proved by copying a few times which obviously magnifies the error. With *non data reduced* digital - like CD - you can copy till the cows come home and it will still sound the same if done properly. Enjoy your end user analogue of whatever type - of course it can give great pleasure. But the chances are that whatever you're listening to if made within the last decade or so originated in digital. -- *When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? * Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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In article ,
Gary wrote: The term "digital" is everywhere as if it is the great way forward........forward for the manufacturers because it cheaper to produce maybe.......but sound wise.........not all it is cracked up to be...... Depends on what you mean as digital is a very broad church. Try producing an analogue system that will hold many hours worth of material and fit in your pocket. With analogue recordings, even the very best systems ever devised produced some degradation - easily proved by copying a few times which obviously magnifies the error. With *non data reduced* digital - like CD - you can copy till the cows come home and it will still sound the same if done properly. Enjoy your end user analogue of whatever type - of course it can give great pleasure. But the chances are that whatever you're listening to if made within the last decade or so originated in digital. -- *When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? * Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 00:00:14 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
:)On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:03:30 GMT (pmailkeey) wrote: :) :) Why ? :) :) Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet :) provides global digital radio & tv ? :) :)Poorly thought out question. :) :)Where can you get internet? :) Globally ;) -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 00:00:14 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
:)On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:03:30 GMT (pmailkeey) wrote: :) :) Why ? :) :) Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet :) provides global digital radio & tv ? :) :)Poorly thought out question. :) :)Where can you get internet? :) Globally ;) -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:51 -0000, "Tim S Kemp"
wrote: :) :)"pmailkeey" wrote in message ... :) Why ? :) :) Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet :) provides global digital radio & tv ? :) :)1. Try getting high quality internet radio in your car without an expensive :)and not-dependable GPRS subscription :) :)2. Try getting the same in your pocket :) :)3. Try getting broadband internet out in rural areas (other than satellite) :) :)DAB is great, and it works, could do with better bandwidth on some stations :)but the sound quality tradeoffs are there with every medium and format. Analogue seems to cover most of that. -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:51 -0000, "Tim S Kemp"
wrote: :) :)"pmailkeey" wrote in message ... :) Why ? :) :) Why restrict one's sources to a local transmitter when the Internet :) provides global digital radio & tv ? :) :)1. Try getting high quality internet radio in your car without an expensive :)and not-dependable GPRS subscription :) :)2. Try getting the same in your pocket :) :)3. Try getting broadband internet out in rural areas (other than satellite) :) :)DAB is great, and it works, could do with better bandwidth on some stations :)but the sound quality tradeoffs are there with every medium and format. Analogue seems to cover most of that. -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:20:35 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
:)On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:06:11 +0000 :)tony sayer wrote: :) :) Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of :) digital.... :) :)it'll improve though - its not like its incapable of better data rates - and they can transmit any data, its only a serial stream... (why mpeg layer 2 audio baffles me though...) :) It'll be superceded tomorrow - or was that yesterday - digital tv with the picture turned off ! -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:20:35 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
:)On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:06:11 +0000 :)tony sayer wrote: :) :) Not as far as DAB radio is concerned. That is the downside of :) digital.... :) :)it'll improve though - its not like its incapable of better data rates - and they can transmit any data, its only a serial stream... (why mpeg layer 2 audio baffles me though...) :) It'll be superceded tomorrow - or was that yesterday - digital tv with the picture turned off ! -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:18:38 -0000, Jim H
wrote: :)I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor :)stopgap while we wait for better things. :) Exactly ! -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:18:38 -0000, Jim H
wrote: :)I should imagine all these will be easy in 5 years, making DAB a minor :)stopgap while we wait for better things. :) Exactly ! -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:15:56 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
:) :)just buy a good external DAC and be done with it. then the lense on your CDP can be pushed along by ants, and the cat can urinate on its DAC, and it will STILL sound the same as the day you bought it for 20ukp... You was robbed ! Last cd player I bought was £12 and it included a DAC - which I think I used once ! Oh ok, it didn't come with a PSU, I s'pose but came with a standard connector for a standard psu. -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:15:56 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
:) :)just buy a good external DAC and be done with it. then the lense on your CDP can be pushed along by ants, and the cat can urinate on its DAC, and it will STILL sound the same as the day you bought it for 20ukp... You was robbed ! Last cd player I bought was £12 and it included a DAC - which I think I used once ! Oh ok, it didn't come with a PSU, I s'pose but came with a standard connector for a standard psu. -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:26:24 +0000 (UTC), "Gary"
wrote: :) :)Keith I could'nt agree more with your comments!!!!! :) :) :)The term "digital" is everywhere as if it is the great way :)forward........forward for the manufacturers because it cheaper to produce :)maybe.......but sound wise.........not all it is cracked up to be...... :) :)Gary :)(give me analogue any time) Local recording studio tells me they downgrade from 2" tape to CD. They also use valve componented kit. -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:26:24 +0000 (UTC), "Gary"
wrote: :) :)Keith I could'nt agree more with your comments!!!!! :) :) :)The term "digital" is everywhere as if it is the great way :)forward........forward for the manufacturers because it cheaper to produce :)maybe.......but sound wise.........not all it is cracked up to be...... :) :)Gary :)(give me analogue any time) Local recording studio tells me they downgrade from 2" tape to CD. They also use valve componented kit. -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:48:49 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman
wrote: :) With *non data reduced* digital - like CD - you can copy till the cows :)come home and it will still sound the same if done properly. "properly" ! hehe. :) :)Enjoy your end user analogue of whatever type - of course it can give :)great pleasure. But the chances are that whatever you're listening to if :)made within the last decade or so originated in digital. No - analogue 2" tape still in use. -- Comm again, Mike. |
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