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Best buy Toslink?
Arild Ingebrigtsen wrote:
I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? Yes. Argos. 5 quid. Much better than the crap above. |
Best buy Toslink?
Arild Ingebrigtsen wrote:
I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? Yes. Argos. 5 quid. Much better than the crap above. |
Best buy Toslink?
"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message ... Arild Ingebrigtsen wrote: I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? Yes. Argos. 5 quid. Much better than the crap above. Yes, or Maplins..... Goto http://www.maplin.co.uk/ and search 'toslink' for a comprehensive selection including stuff like couplers, converters, splitters and the like at 'sensible' prices..... |
Best buy Toslink?
"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message ... Arild Ingebrigtsen wrote: I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? Yes. Argos. 5 quid. Much better than the crap above. Yes, or Maplins..... Goto http://www.maplin.co.uk/ and search 'toslink' for a comprehensive selection including stuff like couplers, converters, splitters and the like at 'sensible' prices..... |
Best buy Toslink?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:27:59 +0100
"Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote: I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Neither. They are both junk. but did you know that long TOSLINK cabling can 'stretch' the digital bits? this stretching has a terrible effect on sound quality. You should try to stick to a shorter length, using an opto-dynamically compensated cabling run. It just so happens that I have a three meter run of such a cable here which I purchased for only 48,000 pounds (and 99 pence). I'd be happy to let it out of my hands for offers around half that amount - bearing in mind that I have regularly cleaned the contact area with oil of ophidia in order to ensure the absolute crispest of digital reconstruction at the far end of the cable. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Best buy Toslink?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:27:59 +0100
"Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote: I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Neither. They are both junk. but did you know that long TOSLINK cabling can 'stretch' the digital bits? this stretching has a terrible effect on sound quality. You should try to stick to a shorter length, using an opto-dynamically compensated cabling run. It just so happens that I have a three meter run of such a cable here which I purchased for only 48,000 pounds (and 99 pence). I'd be happy to let it out of my hands for offers around half that amount - bearing in mind that I have regularly cleaned the contact area with oil of ophidia in order to ensure the absolute crispest of digital reconstruction at the far end of the cable. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Best buy Toslink?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:27:59 +0100, "Arild Ingebrigtsen"
wrote: I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? There's no such thing as a high-end toslink cable. Just overpriced ones, that will perform precisely the same as cheap ones. |
Best buy Toslink?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:27:59 +0100, "Arild Ingebrigtsen"
wrote: I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? There's no such thing as a high-end toslink cable. Just overpriced ones, that will perform precisely the same as cheap ones. |
Best buy Toslink?
Ian Molton wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:27:59 +0100 "Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote: I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Neither. They are both junk. but did you know that long TOSLINK cabling can 'stretch' the digital bits? this stretching has a terrible effect on sound quality. You should try to stick to a shorter length, using an opto-dynamically compensated cabling run. It just so happens that I have a three meter run of such a cable here which I purchased for only 48,000 pounds (and 99 pence). I'd be happy to let it out of my hands for offers around half that amount - bearing in mind that I have regularly cleaned the contact area with oil of ophidia in order to ensure the absolute crispest of digital reconstruction at the far end of the cable. You also need to be very careful how you set out the cable. You *must* have an even number of left/right bends in it else the stereo image loses definition, and if you have perfect pitch make sure the start and finish of the cable are at *exactly* the same height. because of the high speed of light compared to the speed of sound, a fraction of a mm can make all the difference. Ian |
Best buy Toslink?
Ian Molton wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:27:59 +0100 "Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote: I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Neither. They are both junk. but did you know that long TOSLINK cabling can 'stretch' the digital bits? this stretching has a terrible effect on sound quality. You should try to stick to a shorter length, using an opto-dynamically compensated cabling run. It just so happens that I have a three meter run of such a cable here which I purchased for only 48,000 pounds (and 99 pence). I'd be happy to let it out of my hands for offers around half that amount - bearing in mind that I have regularly cleaned the contact area with oil of ophidia in order to ensure the absolute crispest of digital reconstruction at the far end of the cable. You also need to be very careful how you set out the cable. You *must* have an even number of left/right bends in it else the stereo image loses definition, and if you have perfect pitch make sure the start and finish of the cable are at *exactly* the same height. because of the high speed of light compared to the speed of sound, a fraction of a mm can make all the difference. Ian |
Best buy Toslink?
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:27:59 +0100, "Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote: I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? There's no such thing as a high-end toslink cable. Just overpriced ones, that will perform precisely the same as cheap ones. what about the flashy packaging! the expensive ads in the comics! thats got to be worth the extra dosh... |
Best buy Toslink?
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:27:59 +0100, "Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote: I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? There's no such thing as a high-end toslink cable. Just overpriced ones, that will perform precisely the same as cheap ones. what about the flashy packaging! the expensive ads in the comics! thats got to be worth the extra dosh... |
Best buy Toslink?
"Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote in message ... I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? Thanks! Arild Hi Arid, I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. So, I would recommend the X-ZAC. (But I haven't tried the others you named). Thomas |
Best buy Toslink?
"Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote in message ... I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? Thanks! Arild Hi Arid, I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. So, I would recommend the X-ZAC. (But I haven't tried the others you named). Thomas |
Best buy Toslink?
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 03:01:21 GMT, "malcolm"
wrote: There's no such thing as a high-end toslink cable. Just overpriced ones, that will perform precisely the same as cheap ones. what about the flashy packaging! the expensive ads in the comics! thats got to be worth the extra dosh... Unfortunately, the questioner may have read our rational responses, decided he KNOWS we're completely wrong, and wasted his money anyway. Maybe we should have recommended the least-overpriced, suggesting they're under-rated, surprisingly musical, even our wives noticed........ Then, at least he'd have saved SOME dosh :-) |
Best buy Toslink?
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 03:01:21 GMT, "malcolm"
wrote: There's no such thing as a high-end toslink cable. Just overpriced ones, that will perform precisely the same as cheap ones. what about the flashy packaging! the expensive ads in the comics! thats got to be worth the extra dosh... Unfortunately, the questioner may have read our rational responses, decided he KNOWS we're completely wrong, and wasted his money anyway. Maybe we should have recommended the least-overpriced, suggesting they're under-rated, surprisingly musical, even our wives noticed........ Then, at least he'd have saved SOME dosh :-) |
Best buy Toslink?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:29:43 +0000
Laurence Payne wrote: Maybe we should have recommended the least-overpriced, suggesting they're under-rated, surprisingly musical, even our wives noticed........ Then, at least he'd have saved SOME dosh :-) Why? if he didnt take the advice he *deserves* to learn the hard way... -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Best buy Toslink?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:29:43 +0000
Laurence Payne wrote: Maybe we should have recommended the least-overpriced, suggesting they're under-rated, surprisingly musical, even our wives noticed........ Then, at least he'd have saved SOME dosh :-) Why? if he didnt take the advice he *deserves* to learn the hard way... -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Best buy Toslink?
This works now wrote:
I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. What improvement(s) did you notice? -- Wally www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar |
Best buy Toslink?
This works now wrote:
I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. What improvement(s) did you notice? -- Wally www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar |
Best buy Toslink?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:25:10 GMT
"This works now" wrote: I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. Can I have the 'cheapie' ? I'll pay you postage. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Best buy Toslink?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:25:10 GMT
"This works now" wrote: I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. Can I have the 'cheapie' ? I'll pay you postage. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Best buy Toslink?
"Ian Molton" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:25:10 GMT "This works now" wrote: I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. Can I have the 'cheapie' ? I'll pay you postage. The cheapie is currently in use between my digital radio and my av processor. So, as it isn't "spare", I'm not willing to offer it for sale. Sorry. Thomas |
Best buy Toslink?
"Ian Molton" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:25:10 GMT "This works now" wrote: I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. Can I have the 'cheapie' ? I'll pay you postage. The cheapie is currently in use between my digital radio and my av processor. So, as it isn't "spare", I'm not willing to offer it for sale. Sorry. Thomas |
Best buy Toslink?
"Wally" wrote in message ... This works now wrote: I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. What improvement(s) did you notice? Hi Wally, Mainly an improvement in high frequency "quality". The cheapie cable that came with the DAC sounded too "edgy" and a little "bass shy". By comparison, the X-ZAC sounds a bit sweeter (less edgy, less sibilant) and hence the sound balance has, to me at least, shifted more towards the neutral balance that I was looking to achieve. Thomas (System: Marantz CD player, Meridian DAC, MF amplifier, Audiovector speakers). |
Best buy Toslink?
"Wally" wrote in message ... This works now wrote: I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. What improvement(s) did you notice? Hi Wally, Mainly an improvement in high frequency "quality". The cheapie cable that came with the DAC sounded too "edgy" and a little "bass shy". By comparison, the X-ZAC sounds a bit sweeter (less edgy, less sibilant) and hence the sound balance has, to me at least, shifted more towards the neutral balance that I was looking to achieve. Thomas (System: Marantz CD player, Meridian DAC, MF amplifier, Audiovector speakers). |
Best buy Toslink?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:41:44 GMT
"This works now" wrote: Mainly an improvement in high frequency "quality". The cheapie cable that came with the DAC sounded too "edgy" and a little "bass shy". I'll give you a tenner if you can demonstrate *any* audible (or even detectable within reasonable limits) difference between them. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Best buy Toslink?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:41:44 GMT
"This works now" wrote: Mainly an improvement in high frequency "quality". The cheapie cable that came with the DAC sounded too "edgy" and a little "bass shy". I'll give you a tenner if you can demonstrate *any* audible (or even detectable within reasonable limits) difference between them. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Best buy Toslink?
"This works now" wrote in message
... "Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote in message ... I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? Thanks! Arild Hi Arid, I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. So, I would recommend the X-ZAC. (But I haven't tried the others you named). Thomas Hi Thomas Thank you for sharing you experience with the Supra X-ZAC. I had no idea asking for advice on toslink cables would bring out such strong opinions as it have on this forum (and on a similar forum here in Norway). Cheers, Ari_l_d :-) |
Best buy Toslink?
"This works now" wrote in message
... "Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote in message ... I am about to invest in a high-end Toslink optical cable, and I have narrowed the field down to these cables: Supra X-ZAC, van den Hul Optocoupler Mk. II or Transparent High Performance TosLink. Does anyone have a view on which cable is the better one of these? Are there any other cables I should add to my list? Thanks! Arild Hi Arid, I got a Supra X-ZAC and it does seem to sound better than the "cheapie" Toslink cable that came with my Meridian DAC. So, I would recommend the X-ZAC. (But I haven't tried the others you named). Thomas Hi Thomas Thank you for sharing you experience with the Supra X-ZAC. I had no idea asking for advice on toslink cables would bring out such strong opinions as it have on this forum (and on a similar forum here in Norway). Cheers, Ari_l_d :-) |
Best buy Toslink?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:04:49 +0100, "Arild Ingebrigtsen"
wrote: Hi Thomas Thank you for sharing you experience with the Supra X-ZAC. I had no idea asking for advice on toslink cables would bring out such strong opinions as it have on this forum (and on a similar forum here in Norway). Does the fact that opinions are maybe 10:1 against an expensive cable making any difference whatsoever suggest anything to you? And wasn't the one dissenting opinion from someone who, having wasted money on a super-cable, badly NEEDS it to be better? :=_ |
Best buy Toslink?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:04:49 +0100, "Arild Ingebrigtsen"
wrote: Hi Thomas Thank you for sharing you experience with the Supra X-ZAC. I had no idea asking for advice on toslink cables would bring out such strong opinions as it have on this forum (and on a similar forum here in Norway). Does the fact that opinions are maybe 10:1 against an expensive cable making any difference whatsoever suggest anything to you? And wasn't the one dissenting opinion from someone who, having wasted money on a super-cable, badly NEEDS it to be better? :=_ |
Best buy Toslink?
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:04:49 +0100, "Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote: snip Does the fact that opinions are maybe 10:1 against an expensive cable making any difference whatsoever suggest anything to you? Yup, some people have cloth ears ...! Or maybe some people don't take it seriously enough? Or they haven't got a clue what they are listening for? Or lots of other reasons....! And wasn't the one dissenting opinion from someone who, having wasted money on a super-cable, badly NEEDS it to be better? :=_ How do you know this to be the case? Or don't you allow people to make their own choice, just because you disagree with it? Or maybe other people, who do know, cannot be bothered to enter a newsgroup like this coz they know they are going to be slagged off by people who prefer Maplins/Argos/AN Other store to make a money out of them. Whatever happened to free speech - instead you get put down for voicing an opinion, by people who don't even know you? Typical if you ask me, but you didn't so I won't go on..! Thomas (Immediately leaves greenhouse to prevent bricks being chucked). |
Best buy Toslink?
"Laurence Payne" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:04:49 +0100, "Arild Ingebrigtsen" wrote: snip Does the fact that opinions are maybe 10:1 against an expensive cable making any difference whatsoever suggest anything to you? Yup, some people have cloth ears ...! Or maybe some people don't take it seriously enough? Or they haven't got a clue what they are listening for? Or lots of other reasons....! And wasn't the one dissenting opinion from someone who, having wasted money on a super-cable, badly NEEDS it to be better? :=_ How do you know this to be the case? Or don't you allow people to make their own choice, just because you disagree with it? Or maybe other people, who do know, cannot be bothered to enter a newsgroup like this coz they know they are going to be slagged off by people who prefer Maplins/Argos/AN Other store to make a money out of them. Whatever happened to free speech - instead you get put down for voicing an opinion, by people who don't even know you? Typical if you ask me, but you didn't so I won't go on..! Thomas (Immediately leaves greenhouse to prevent bricks being chucked). |
Best buy Toslink?
"Ian Molton" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:41:44 GMT "This works now" wrote: Mainly an improvement in high frequency "quality". The cheapie cable that came with the DAC sounded too "edgy" and a little "bass shy". I'll give you a tenner if you can demonstrate *any* audible (or even detectable within reasonable limits) difference between them. Where do you live? (area only will do!) Thomas (Already regretting asking the above question, but hey ho!!, in for a penny in for a pound !) |
Best buy Toslink?
"Ian Molton" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:41:44 GMT "This works now" wrote: Mainly an improvement in high frequency "quality". The cheapie cable that came with the DAC sounded too "edgy" and a little "bass shy". I'll give you a tenner if you can demonstrate *any* audible (or even detectable within reasonable limits) difference between them. Where do you live? (area only will do!) Thomas (Already regretting asking the above question, but hey ho!!, in for a penny in for a pound !) |
Best buy Toslink?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:46:17 GMT
"This works now" wrote: I'll give you a tenner if you can demonstrate *any* audible (or even detectable within reasonable limits) difference between them. Where do you live? (area only will do!) Cheshire. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Best buy Toslink?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:46:17 GMT
"This works now" wrote: I'll give you a tenner if you can demonstrate *any* audible (or even detectable within reasonable limits) difference between them. Where do you live? (area only will do!) Cheshire. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Best buy Toslink?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:44:24 GMT
"This works now" wrote: Does the fact that opinions are maybe 10:1 against an expensive cable making any difference whatsoever suggest anything to you? Yup, some people have cloth ears ...! Or maybe some people don't take it seriously enough? Or they haven't got a clue what they are listening for? Or lots of other reasons....! You do realise the bandwidth of TOSlink is FAR *FAR* below the capability of the fibre it uses? heck, you could probably get it to work with no fibre at all if you put the devices back-to-back. Are you going to suggest that air has *remotely* similar optical properties to 3 metres of glass? Whatever happened to free speech - instead you get put down for voicing an opinion, by people who don't even know you? you didnt get put down for speaking, you got put down for being a dork ;-) -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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