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Hard Disc Player Sound Quality
PC based hard disc players seem to be a common topic of discussion in
this ng at the moment Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. The CDs would be stored on the hard disc as wav files or flac (lossless compression) My current CD player is a Marantz CD6000OSE Gelf |
Hard Disc Player Sound Quality
"Gelf" emitted : PC based hard disc players seem to be a common topic of discussion in this ng at the moment Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. The CDs would be stored on the hard disc as wav files or flac (lossless compression) http://www.scalatech.co.uk/papers/aes93.pdf My current CD player is a Marantz CD6000OSE I have one! Good innit? Sure is - that's why I'm a bit worried about possibly ending up with inferior sound quality, for the sake of convenience. |
Hard Disc Player Sound Quality
"Gelf" emitted : PC based hard disc players seem to be a common topic of discussion in this ng at the moment Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. The CDs would be stored on the hard disc as wav files or flac (lossless compression) http://www.scalatech.co.uk/papers/aes93.pdf My current CD player is a Marantz CD6000OSE I have one! Good innit? Sure is - that's why I'm a bit worried about possibly ending up with inferior sound quality, for the sake of convenience. |
Hard Disc Player Sound Quality
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0000
Gelf wrote: Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD quality, all other things allowing... -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Hard Disc Player Sound Quality
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0000
Gelf wrote: Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD quality, all other things allowing... -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:05:12 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0000 Gelf wrote: Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD quality, all other things allowing... But most source material is 41k, so doesn't upsampling to 48 hurt the sound? -- Jim H jh @333 .org |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:05:12 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0000 Gelf wrote: Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD quality, all other things allowing... But most source material is 41k, so doesn't upsampling to 48 hurt the sound? -- Jim H jh @333 .org |
Hard Disc Player Sound Quality
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:05:12 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD quality, all other things allowing... Where would he be getting this 48KHz stuff from? :-) To answer the question - yes, a computer will squirt bits into your DAC just as well as any other digital source. |
Hard Disc Player Sound Quality
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:05:12 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD quality, all other things allowing... Where would he be getting this 48KHz stuff from? :-) To answer the question - yes, a computer will squirt bits into your DAC just as well as any other digital source. |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:32:32 -0000
Jim H wrote: Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD quality, all other things allowing... But most source material is 41k, so doesn't upsampling to 48 hurt the sound? In theory. In practice (despite the recent threads) I very much doubt that any sort of half-decent upsampling is audible at all. I *did* say all other things allowing, htough ;-) -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:32:32 -0000
Jim H wrote: Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD quality, all other things allowing... But most source material is 41k, so doesn't upsampling to 48 hurt the sound? In theory. In practice (despite the recent threads) I very much doubt that any sort of half-decent upsampling is audible at all. I *did* say all other things allowing, htough ;-) -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Hard Disc Player Sound Quality
"Gelf" wrote in message
PC based hard disc players seem to be a common topic of discussion in this ng at the moment Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? All other things being equal, the sound quality should be the same when they are both playing the same data. The PC-based player could have an edge because the data it delivers to your DAC might have fewer uncorrected errors. This happens because playing a CD on a regular CD player is a one-pass process with no opportunity for retries. The better CD ripping programs will retry erroneous data reads, which can significantly improve the quality of the actual data delivered to your DAC. I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. The sound quality of this system would be limited by the DAC. The CDs would be stored on the hard disc as wav files or flac (lossless compression) Been there, done that, it works. My current CD player is a Marantz CD6000OSE You just need a good sound card that doesn't resample or otherwise butcher the digital signal. You need to be sure to avoid contaminating the digital signal with a ground loop. But you said "optical link" didn't you? That pretty well eliminates ground loops as a source of problems! |
Hard Disc Player Sound Quality
"Gelf" wrote in message
PC based hard disc players seem to be a common topic of discussion in this ng at the moment Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? All other things being equal, the sound quality should be the same when they are both playing the same data. The PC-based player could have an edge because the data it delivers to your DAC might have fewer uncorrected errors. This happens because playing a CD on a regular CD player is a one-pass process with no opportunity for retries. The better CD ripping programs will retry erroneous data reads, which can significantly improve the quality of the actual data delivered to your DAC. I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. The sound quality of this system would be limited by the DAC. The CDs would be stored on the hard disc as wav files or flac (lossless compression) Been there, done that, it works. My current CD player is a Marantz CD6000OSE You just need a good sound card that doesn't resample or otherwise butcher the digital signal. You need to be sure to avoid contaminating the digital signal with a ground loop. But you said "optical link" didn't you? That pretty well eliminates ground loops as a source of problems! |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:27:09 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: You just need a good sound card that doesn't resample or otherwise butcher the digital signal. You need to be sure to avoid contaminating the digital signal with a ground loop. But you said "optical link" didn't you? That pretty well eliminates ground loops as a source of problems! Yes, it's going to be an Audigy 2 NX, external (USB 2.0), because the PC I'm planning to use only takes low profile PCI cards, and a decent sound card in this form factor seems to be scarce as hobby-horses' doo-doos I did like that suggstion in another thread about PC based players, where the poster had gone for a monitor-less system and controlled it using VNC from a laptop! After all, a just decent s/h laptop is probably cheaper than a new TFT monitor. Gelf |
Hard Disc Player Sound Quality
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0000, Gelf wrote:
PC based hard disc players seem to be a common topic of discussion in this ng at the moment Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a standalone CD player? I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then to amp and speakers. The CDs would be stored on the hard disc as wav files or flac (lossless compression) My current CD player is a Marantz CD6000OSE Gelf If you're bothered about the looks of the thing, this might interest: http://www.silentpcreview.com/module...tid=104&page=1 -- Jim H jh @333 .org |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:48:19 +0000
Gelf wrote: Yes, it's going to be an Audigy 2 NX, external (USB 2.0), because the PC I'm planning to use only takes low profile PCI cards, and a decent sound card in this form factor seems to be scarce as hobby-horses' doo-doos If you're only after digital out, who needs a decent card? anything will do. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:27:09 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: :) I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC :) soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then :) to amp and speakers. :) :)The sound quality of this system would be limited by the DAC. Or the amp or speakers ;) :)You just need a good sound card that doesn't resample or otherwise butcher :)the digital signal. You need to be sure to avoid contaminating the digital :)signal with a ground loop. What's the prob with ground loops ? -- Comm again, Mike. |
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"pmailkeey" wrote in message
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:27:09 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: :) I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC :) soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then :) to amp and speakers. :) :)The sound quality of this system would be limited by the DAC. Or the amp or speakers ;) :)You just need a good sound card that doesn't resample or otherwise butcher :)the digital signal. You need to be sure to avoid contaminating the digital :)signal with a ground loop. What's the prob with ground loops ? In analog lines they can cause audible hum, in digital lines they can cause lots of jitter. |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:33:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote: :) :) :)(How *topical* can this group be - I've got to hook my DAC up to my :)soundcard this very afternoon - and this is not the first time this has :)happened by a long chalk!!) :) I've a M Audio Delta 66 sound card and wonder what you experts think of it quality of sound wise on its analogue outs. I have noticed the mains hum is quieter than the CPU fan ! -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:33:36 -0000, "Keith G" wrote: :) :) :)(How *topical* can this group be - I've got to hook my DAC up to my :)soundcard this very afternoon - and this is not the first time this has :)happened by a long chalk!!) :) I've a M Audio Delta 66 sound card and wonder what you experts think of it quality of sound wise on its analogue outs. I have noticed the mains hum is quieter than the CPU fan ! Please see: http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/delta-66/index.htm Compare that to a similar report for a good CD player: http://www.pcavtech.com/play-rec/cd67se/index.htm |
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Views wanted on M Audio Delta 66 (Was Hard Disc Player Sound Quality)
In article , Arny Krueger
writes "pmailkeey" wrote in message On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:33:36 -0000, "Keith G" wrote: :) :) :)(How *topical* can this group be - I've got to hook my DAC up to my :)soundcard this very afternoon - and this is not the first time this has :)happened by a long chalk!!) :) I've a M Audio Delta 66 sound card and wonder what you experts think of it quality of sound wise on its analogue outs. I have noticed the mains hum is quieter than the CPU fan ! Is that card another name for the Audiophile 24/96?.... -- Tony Sayer |
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In message , tony sayer writes Is that card another name for the Audiophile 24/96?.... No, it's different - The 66 has more channels of I/O, a break-out box and it supports +4dBu signal levels. I haven't used one, so can't comment on the analogue signal quality. I use the Audiophile 24/96 a lot and like it (not the best in absolute quality terms for the money, but plenty good enough) and we have a Delta 1010 at work, which is very good. -- Regards, Glenn Booth |
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:42:22 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: :)"pmailkeey" wrote in message :) What's the prob with ground loops ? :) :)In analog lines they can cause audible hum, in digital lines they can cause :)lots of jitter. I'll not ask what jitter is, but I guess it can't be good :) -- Comm again, Mike. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:37:43 GMT
(pmailkeey) wrote: I'll not ask what jitter is, but I guess it can't be good :) its 'noise' in the tioming of the digital pulses, ie. they arrive slightly earlier or later than they should. jitter should be *irrelevant* on any well designed system. Even quite large amounts of it. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 06:13:35 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: :)"pmailkeey" wrote in message :) On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:33:36 -0000, "Keith G" :) wrote: :) :) :) :) :) :) :)(How *topical* can this group be - I've got to hook my DAC up to my :) :)soundcard this very afternoon - and this is not the first time this :) has :)happened by a long chalk!!) :) :) :) :) I've a M Audio Delta 66 sound card and wonder what you experts think :) of it quality of sound wise on its analogue outs. I have noticed the :) mains hum is quieter than the CPU fan ! :) :)Please see: :) :)http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/delta-66/index.htm :) :)Compare that to a similar report for a good CD player: :) :)http://www.pcavtech.com/play-rec/cd67se/index.htm A DNS lookup error occurred because the request timed out during the lookup. I guess the site's down. -- Comm again, Mike. |
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"pmailkeey" wrote in message
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 06:13:35 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: :)"pmailkeey" wrote in message :) On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:33:36 -0000, "Keith G" :) wrote: :) :) :) :) :) :) :)(How *topical* can this group be - I've got to hook my DAC up to my :) :)soundcard this very afternoon - and this is not the first time this :) has :)happened by a long chalk!!) :) :) :) :) I've a M Audio Delta 66 sound card and wonder what you experts think :) of it quality of sound wise on its analogue outs. I have noticed the :) mains hum is quieter than the CPU fan ! :) :)Please see: :) :)http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/delta-66/index.htm :) :)Compare that to a similar report for a good CD player: :) :)http://www.pcavtech.com/play-rec/cd67se/index.htm A DNS lookup error occurred because the request timed out during the lookup. I guess the site's down. Nope. Perhaps your ISP is not doing his job. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:15:15 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:37:43 GMT (pmailkeey) wrote: I'll not ask what jitter is, but I guess it can't be good :) its 'noise' in the tioming of the digital pulses, ie. they arrive slightly earlier or later than they should. jitter should be *irrelevant* on any well designed system. Even quite large amounts of it. At the point of conversion, it's absolutely critical. That's the main problem with standalone DACs for CD. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:11:37 +0000 (UTC)
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote: jitter should be *irrelevant* on any well designed system. Even quite large amounts of it. At the point of conversion, it's absolutely critical. That's the main problem with standalone DACs for CD. The point being, of course, that any *WELL* designed system will use a good PLL and thus eliminate the problem. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (Stewart Pinkerton) wrote: jitter should be *irrelevant* on any well designed system. Even quite large amounts of it. At the point of conversion, it's absolutely critical. That's the main problem with standalone DACs for CD. The point being, of course, that any *WELL* designed system will use a good PLL and thus eliminate the problem. Agreed. However, any number of poorly-designed systems have hit the marketplace. We then have reports that a given (incompetently designed) DAC is so *revealing* that it allows you to clearly hear differences between transports and digital interconnect cables... Of course you are supposed to run right out and buy one! |
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"pmailkeey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 06:13:35 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: :)"pmailkeey" wrote in message :) On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:33:36 -0000, "Keith G" :) wrote: :) :) :) :) :) :) :)(How *topical* can this group be - I've got to hook my DAC up to my :) :)soundcard this very afternoon - and this is not the first time this :) has :)happened by a long chalk!!) :) :) :) :) I've a M Audio Delta 66 sound card and wonder what you experts think :) of it quality of sound wise on its analogue outs. I have noticed the :) mains hum is quieter than the CPU fan ! :) :)Please see: :) :)http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/delta-66/index.htm :) :)Compare that to a similar report for a good CD player: :) :)http://www.pcavtech.com/play-rec/cd67se/index.htm A DNS lookup error occurred because the request timed out during the lookup. I guess the site's down. Looking at your time of posting I would say you caught them at a bad time too - feeding the gerbils? ;-) |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:57:17 -0500
"Arny Krueger" wrote: Agreed. However, any number of poorly-designed systems have hit the marketplace. We then have reports that a given (incompetently designed) DAC is so *revealing* that it allows you to clearly hear differences between transports and digital interconnect cables... Of course you are supposed to run right out and buy one! **** man, I'll just bin my Arcam DBB3 right now ;-) hehehe -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:47:17 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote: May as well given the crap you pump through it. You really are a prize ****, arent you? -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:15:07 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (Stewart Pinkerton) wrote: jitter should be *irrelevant* on any well designed system. Even quite large amounts of it. At the point of conversion, it's absolutely critical. That's the main problem with standalone DACs for CD. The point being, of course, that any *WELL* designed system will use a good PLL and thus eliminate the problem. Unfortunately, these are thin on the ground in high-end audio........ Heck, some of those clowns don't even put in the reconstruction filter! No, really, check out AudioNote..................... BTW, a PLL *reduces* the jitter problem, only a synchronous master clock can *eliminate* jitter. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:25:47 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:57:17 -0500 "Arny Krueger" wrote: Agreed. However, any number of poorly-designed systems have hit the marketplace. We then have reports that a given (incompetently designed) DAC is so *revealing* that it allows you to clearly hear differences between transports and digital interconnect cables... Of course you are supposed to run right out and buy one! **** man, I'll just bin my Arcam DBB3 right now ;-) Well, that'd be a start - then you could buy a top-class one-box player, such as an Arcam 9 or 23. Problem solved. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:40:37 +0000 (UTC)
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote: The point being, of course, that any *WELL* designed system will use a good PLL and thus eliminate the problem. Unfortunately, these are thin on the ground in high-end audio........ Heck, some of those clowns don't even put in the reconstruction filter! No, really, check out AudioNote..................... LOL ;-) BTW, a PLL *reduces* the jitter problem, only a synchronous master clock can *eliminate* jitter. nah. as long as we're talking about jitter and not gross long-timebase clock frequency drifts, a good PLL will eliminate it. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:41:55 +0000 (UTC)
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote: **** man, I'll just bin my Arcam DBB3 right now ;-) Well, that'd be a start - then you could buy a top-class one-box player, such as an Arcam 9 or 23. Problem solved. What exactly is not 'top class' about the DBB3 ? -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:37:12 +0000
Chris Isbell wrote: BTW, a PLL *reduces* the jitter problem, only a synchronous master clock can *eliminate* jitter. What about sample rate conversion? pointless, as without MASSIVE buffers its not possible to do without errors or aliasing. better to use a PLL as any quartz clock will give adequate frequency stability within the few-kilohertz range used in audio. with a PLL jitter is irrelevant (with a good design) and you end up with the DAC locked to an adequately stable clock anyway, without the issues involved in reclocking. There are uses for reclocking system (ie. mixing and production uses) but playback isnt one of them. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:34:53 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:47:17 +0000 Kurt Hamster wrote: May as well given the crap you pump through it. You really are a prize ****, arent you? OTOH, he's correct. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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