| Page 1 of 2 | 1 | 2 |
|
|
|
CD recorders
System: Rotel RA-02 amplifier, Rotel RCD-02 CD player, Quad 11L speakers,
Pioneer DVD 5100H hard drive/ DVD recorder. I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. I have tried burning at various speeds and using various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy a purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used them. I have in mind the Sony RCD-W3 twin deck or the Philips CDR796 twin deck. The recorder will not be connected to the hi-fi as my hi-fi is also connected to the TV and Skybox and all lives under the TV in the TV cabinet, so I have run out of space and will use headphones if needed and then play the recordings on the Rotel. Can anyone tell me if I can do compilation CD' s from more than one CD on these recorders like I can on my PC and has anyone got any recommendations? |
CD recorders
"Informer" wrote in message ... System: Rotel RA-02 amplifier, Rotel RCD-02 CD player, Quad 11L speakers, Pioneer DVD 5100H hard drive/ DVD recorder. I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. I have tried burning at various speeds and using various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy a purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used them. I have in mind the Sony RCD-W3 twin deck or the Philips CDR796 twin deck. The recorder will not be connected to the hi-fi as my hi-fi is also connected to the TV and Skybox and all lives under the TV in the TV cabinet, so I have run out of space and will use headphones if needed and then play the recordings on the Rotel. Can anyone tell me if I can do compilation CD' s from more than one CD on these recorders like I can on my PC and has anyone got any recommendations? I think you are throwing away your money. I can't see what a stand-alone cd recorder can offer more than a PC cd writer. |
CD recorders
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:32:41 -0000
"Informer" wrote: I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. Learn to make better recordings then... -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
CD recorders
"Access" wrote I think you are throwing away your money. I can't see what a stand-alone cd recorder can offer more than a PC cd writer. But the PC CD writer is creating high frequency distortion for some reason which pees me off seeing that I have spent around £1500 on my Hi-Fi if I include speaker stands and cable. |
CD recorders
"Ian Molton" wrote I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. Learn to make better recordings then... Funny how every newsgroup has a village idiot on it who thinks he is funny but contributes nothing! |
CD recorders
What CD burning software are you using? You should be able to make 'bit
perfect' copies i.e. identical copies using sonething like Clone CD or Nero. I use CloneCD V4.2.0.2 and cannot tell the difference between a copy and original. "Informer" wrote in message ... System: Rotel RA-02 amplifier, Rotel RCD-02 CD player, Quad 11L speakers, Pioneer DVD 5100H hard drive/ DVD recorder. I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. I have tried burning at various speeds and using various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy a purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used them. I have in mind the Sony RCD-W3 twin deck or the Philips CDR796 twin deck. The recorder will not be connected to the hi-fi as my hi-fi is also connected to the TV and Skybox and all lives under the TV in the TV cabinet, so I have run out of space and will use headphones if needed and then play the recordings on the Rotel. Can anyone tell me if I can do compilation CD' s from more than one CD on these recorders like I can on my PC and has anyone got any recommendations? |
CD recorders
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:29:50 -0000
"Informer" wrote: I think you are throwing away your money. I can't see what a stand-alone cd recorder can offer more than a PC cd writer. But the PC CD writer is creating high frequency distortion for some reason which pees me off seeing that I have spent around _1500 on my Hi-Fi if I include speaker stands and cable. I *very* much doubt it. We're talking digital recordings here. Perhaps the software you use has some issues? try something else. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
CD recorders
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:40:51 -0000
"Informer" wrote: Funny how every newsgroup has a village idiot on it who thinks he is funny but contributes nothing! See my other reply to you. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
CD recorders
Informer wrote:
System: Rotel RA-02 amplifier, Rotel RCD-02 CD player, Quad 11L speakers, Pioneer DVD 5100H hard drive/ DVD recorder. I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. I have tried burning at various speeds and using various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy a purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used them. I have in mind the Sony RCD-W3 twin deck or the Philips CDR796 twin deck. The recorder will not be connected to the hi-fi as my hi-fi is also connected to the TV and Skybox and all lives under the TV in the TV cabinet, so I have run out of space and will use headphones if needed and then play the recordings on the Rotel. Can anyone tell me if I can do compilation CD' s from more than one CD on these recorders like I can on my PC and has anyone got any recommendations? This is music you make yourself, right? How are you sure it's the burner that's causing the problem? If it's not your own music, then play the originals. |
CD recorders
The CD writer in the computer offers much more flexibility in what you
can do with the CD and the music than a standalone HIFI CDR unit could ever hope to do. Why not share the problem with us and see if we can help? What kind of PC is it? What software do you use? CD Informer wrote: "Access" wrote I think you are throwing away your money. I can't see what a stand-alone cd recorder can offer more than a PC cd writer. But the PC CD writer is creating high frequency distortion for some reason which pees me off seeing that I have spent around £1500 on my Hi-Fi if I include speaker stands and cable. |
CD recorders
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:40:51 -0000, Informer wrote:
"Ian Molton" wrote I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. Learn to make better recordings then... Funny how every newsgroup has a village idiot on it who thinks he is funny but contributes nothing! Which word in "learn to make better recordings then" didn't you understand? |
CD recorders
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:29:50 -0000, Informer wrote:
"Access" wrote I think you are throwing away your money. I can't see what a stand-alone cd recorder can offer more than a PC cd writer. But the PC CD writer is creating high frequency distortion for some reason which pees me off seeing that I have spent around £1500 on my Hi-Fi if I include speaker stands and cable. It can't. It either copies the data perfectly, or you won't be able to read it and you won't get high frequency distortion as there'll be no signal to distort. |
CD recorders
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:55:51 -0000, Westy wrote:
I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. I have tried burning at various speeds and using various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy a purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used them. What CD burning software are you using? You should be able to make 'bit perfect' copies i.e. identical copies using sonething like Clone CD or Nero. If the copy isn't perfect, it won't be "high frequency distortion". It'll be about as subtle as kicking a turntable trying to play a record or connecting/disconnecting your cables with the system volume turned all the way up. |
CD recorders
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:32:41 -0000, "Informer"
wrote: System: Rotel RA-02 amplifier, Rotel RCD-02 CD player, Quad 11L speakers, Pioneer DVD 5100H hard drive/ DVD recorder. I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. I have tried burning at various speeds and using various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy a purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used them. I have in mind the Sony RCD-W3 twin deck or the Philips CDR796 twin deck. The recorder will not be connected to the hi-fi as my hi-fi is also connected to the TV and Skybox and all lives under the TV in the TV cabinet, so I have run out of space and will use headphones if needed and then play the recordings on the Rotel. Can anyone tell me if I can do compilation CD' s from more than one CD on these recorders like I can on my PC and has anyone got any recommendations? I am wondering what sort of "distortion at high frequencies" you refer to... Does it sound like the higher frequencies is slightly garbled as if it is coming through water like somebody gargling and talking at the same time..??? If it is then I would suggest that it will not be the CD writer at fault.. More likely it is the original soundtrack which you recorded from,, which "could" have been encoded at a low bitrate or by a poor encoder. I have had (and indeed, still have that problem) with CD's I burned from MP3's done at 128kb. I have found the only way to get rid of it is to save the tracks at 320kb.. You may not be using MP3's as your source of sound but I am certain that you have a similar symptom. Even if you rip audio tracks from a CD then brun them yourself,, somewhere along the process, you will have more than likely saved the track(s) and usually they are saved in MP3 format and lots of people still use 128kb which really is much too low... I have also noticed that a few FM radio stations are now playing songs from MP3's. You can usually tell if you have a good receiver and you don't turn the treble down to zero and the bass up to full, like most young guys do. This I have found to be quite the norm on some "oldies" stations with 60's and 70's songs... Some of the songs sound positively ghastly like this... |
CD recorders
Buying a stand alone recorder drastically simplified the transferring of
vinyl & tapes to CD. I use audio CD-RWs when I need to do some editing on the computer. If I want to make a duplicate CD, I use the high speed sync-recording. I've never had a problem with these dubbed copies, but I still wouldn't use them to burn discs I'm sending in a trade. It also saves time, since I don't have to rip all the tracks to the HD first or accidentally burn the disc TAO. I believe in specialization. My television set is the best way to watch TV, my stereo is the best way to listen to music, and my laptop is the best way to surf the web/email/type a document/use a spreadsheet. Jack of all trades, master of none. tdc "Access" wrote in message ... I think you are throwing away your money. I can't see what a stand-alone cd recorder can offer more than a PC cd writer. |
CD recorders
What source are you using for the music? If you copying another CD, you
shouldn't have a problem. If you are burning MP3's, then you can have all sorts of problems. The sound will first be affected by the MP3 encoding, and then possibly in the re-encoding to WAV or CDA. MP3 & ACC (used by iTunes & iPods) are lossy compression schemes that affect the sound of the music. To me, they sound flatter when compared the original track. I strayed a bit from my initial point. If you are trying to burn badly encoded files, no varying of speeds or discs will improve anything. [I guess that's why someone told you to learn to record better.] I say go for the stand-alone. I've had a Sony RCD-W500C for a couple of weeks now and love it. I wish I bought it sooner. tdc "Informer" wrote in message ... System: Rotel RA-02 amplifier, Rotel RCD-02 CD player, Quad 11L speakers, Pioneer DVD 5100H hard drive/ DVD recorder. I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. I have tried burning at various speeds and using various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy a purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used them. I have in mind the Sony RCD-W3 twin deck or the Philips CDR796 twin deck. The recorder will not be connected to the hi-fi as my hi-fi is also connected to the TV and Skybox and all lives under the TV in the TV cabinet, so I have run out of space and will use headphones if needed and then play the recordings on the Rotel. Can anyone tell me if I can do compilation CD' s from more than one CD on these recorders like I can on my PC and has anyone got any recommendations? |
CD recorders
"Bruce Tyler" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:32:41 -0000, "Informer" Ok this is what I do. Insert CD into writer, click on Nero Express, select music then audio CD, I then select the tracks. Tracks are shown as Window Media Player series 9 files within the Nero Express window. The tracks are uploaded where I then insert a blank CDR. I then select the burn speed and off I go. Some burns are fine but others have the odd track that sounds like the volume has been turned up too far on a cheap portable radio and gives slight distortion at upper frequencies that can only be heard on a decent Hi-Fi system. In the last recording I did I used Window Media Player to store the tracks on the hard drive first and copied off the hard drive to Nero Express. This was the worst recording so far but I don't know if it would have recorded better if I copied straight off the CD. All music is taken from the original CD's Thanks everyone for your comments. |
CD recorders
"the dead comedian" wrote I say go for the stand-alone. I've had a Sony RCD-W500C for a couple of weeks now and love it. I wish I bought it sooner. Can you record some tracks to a CDR then come back to the same CDR a few weeks later and add more tracks on a stand alone Hi-Fi player like the Sony? |
CD recorders
"Informer" wrote in message ... "the dead comedian" wrote I say go for the stand-alone. I've had a Sony RCD-W500C for a couple of weeks now and love it. I wish I bought it sooner. Can you record some tracks to a CDR then come back to the same CDR a few weeks later and add more tracks on a stand alone Hi-Fi player like the Sony? Yes, or at least you can on the one I use (a NAD). The compilation is complete when you finalise the disk. You can download the NAD burner's manual from their web site - it explains all in there. I think you might try recording on the pc again though. I wouldn't use your method - extract the tracks from the cd first using an app like EAC, then burn the wav files using Nero. Rob |
CD recorders
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:55:51 -0000, "Westy"
wrote: What CD burning software are you using? You should be able to make 'bit perfect' copies i.e. identical copies using sonething like Clone CD or Nero. Neither of these is ideally suited to making bit-perfect copies of audio CDs ... especially CloneCD, which is specifically designed for making (ahem) "backup" copies of copy-protected games discs. EAC (www.exacaudiocopy.de) is just about the only truly reliable method of producting 100% accurate extractions of CD audio data (on Wintel platforms at least - I believe that cdparanoia has equivalent functionality under Linux, and I'm sure that there's something similar for Macs). I use CloneCD V4.2.0.2 and cannot tell the difference between a copy and original. "cannot tell the difference" audibly (possible if your source discs are clean, undamaged, etc.) or digitally? Julian -- Julian Fowler julian (at) bellevue-barn (dot) org (dot) uk |
CD recorders
"Informer" wrote in news:401a0b14$0$13352
: "Bruce Tyler" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:32:41 -0000, "Informer" Ok this is what I do. Insert CD into writer, click on Nero Express, select music then audio CD, I then select the tracks. Tracks are shown as Window Media Player series 9 files within the Nero Express window. The tracks are uploaded where I then insert a blank CDR. I then select the burn speed and off I go. Some burns are fine but others have the odd track that sounds like the volume has been turned up too far on a cheap portable radio and gives slight distortion at upper frequencies that can only be heard on a decent Hi-Fi system. In the last recording I did I used Window Media Player to store the tracks on the hard drive first and copied off the hard drive to Nero Express. This was the worst recording so far but I don't know if it would have recorded better if I copied straight off the CD. All music is taken from the original CD's Thanks everyone for your comments. To extract tracks from the original CD, use EAC. www.exactaudiocopy.de Extract UNcompressed. Then fire up Nero to burn if you like. r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
CD recorders
In article ,
Informer wrote: I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. You're not using a 'normalize' feature in your software, are you? I've copied hundreds of CDs on my old Acorn and they all sound exactly like the original - except for the very rare one which doesn't work at all - due I'd guess to a faulty blank. I don't see how you can get HF distortion in if you're staying in digits and not altering the file. -- *'Progress' and 'Change' are not synonyms. Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
CD recorders
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:43:57 -0000, "Informer"
wrote: "Bruce Tyler" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:32:41 -0000, "Informer" Ok this is what I do. Insert CD into writer, click on Nero Express, select music then audio CD, I then select the tracks. Tracks are shown as Window Media Player series 9 files within the Nero Express window. The tracks are uploaded where I then insert a blank CDR. I then select the burn speed and off I go. Some burns are fine but others have the odd track that sounds like the volume has been turned up too far on a cheap portable radio and gives slight distortion at upper frequencies that can only be heard on a decent Hi-Fi system. In the last recording I did I used Window Media Player to store the tracks on the hard drive first and copied off the hard drive to Nero Express. This was the worst recording so far but I don't know if it would have recorded better if I copied straight off the CD. All music is taken from the original CD's On that basis, the previous poster who stated "Learn to make better recordings then..." was probably correct ... One other factor: what media are you using? Its *possible* that your CD player may be struggling to get accurate audio data from some of the media you're using. It is, in my experience, unusual to hit the fairly small area in which a disc plays without skipping or major audio artifacts but has a noticable degradation in the sound ... it is possible, though. You might want to try some tests by burning onto different media, using identical source material, software, settings, process, etc., and see if there's any audible difference in the results ... As at least one other poster has responded, though, the first thing you need to do is acquire a copy of EAC (which will cost you nothing more than the suggestion to send a postcard to its author!) and use that instead of WMP for audio extraction. HTH Julian -- Julian Fowler julian (at) bellevue-barn (dot) org (dot) uk |
CD recorders
"the dead comedian" wrote in message
Buying a stand alone recorder drastically simplified the transferring of vinyl & tapes to CD. Yes, it simplifies out of existence many important capabilities described below. I use audio CD-RWs when I need to do some editing on the computer. If I want to make a duplicate CD, I use the high speed sync-recording. I've never had a problem with these dubbed copies, but I still wouldn't use them to burn discs I'm sending in a trade. It also saves time, since I don't have to rip all the tracks to the HD first or accidentally burn the disc TAO. The author is solving a non-existent problem. I copy audio CDs routinely on my PC. It's a total no-brainer. I click an icon, load the discs, click a button and the copy happens automatically and properly. The software (EZ CD 5 or 6 or Nero) does the rest. I believe in specialization. My television set is the best way to watch TV, my stereo is the best way to listen to music, and my laptop is the best way to surf the web/email/type a document/use a spreadsheet. Jack of all trades, master of none. So speaks the voice of mediocrity and inflexibility. You can't do as good of a job transcribing other media to CD on stand-alone equipment as you can do on a PC. For openers, name a CD recorder with the flexible tic and pop reduction of a PC. Name one that lets you change the loudness of a song after you've recorded it, but before you burn the CD. Name one that lets you edit lead-in noise as accurately and precisely. The statement "My television set is the best way to watch TV" ignores the popularity and power of the Home Theater PC. The statement "My stereo is the best way to listen to music" ignores the popularity of PCs as music players with vast music libraries. |
CD recorders
"Informer" wrote in message
System: Rotel RA-02 amplifier, Rotel RCD-02 CD player, Quad 11L speakers, Pioneer DVD 5100H hard drive/ DVD recorder. I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. How does it feel to be the modern equivalent of the villiage idiot? Literally millions of people burn CDs on their computer without encountering this kind of problem. Some of these people are literally kids. I have tried burning at various speeds and using various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy a purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used them. Given the 100's of entirely adequate copies of CDs that I've made with a PC, I can't imagine why a person would do it any other way unless extremely high volumes were needed, and you wanted to burn many copies at a time. |
CD recorders
In article ,
the dead comedian wrote: I believe in specialization. My television set is the best way to watch TV, my stereo is the best way to listen to music, and my laptop is the best way to surf the web/email/type a document/use a spreadsheet. Jack of all trades, master of none. If you think your TV is the best way to watch a TV picture, you've never seen the results the system is capable of. TV sets are consumer goods built down to a price, with all the compromises that entails. Also, why use a grotty little laptop when a desktop is so much superior in every way - apart from portability? -- *When cheese gets it's picture taken, what does it say? Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
CD recorders
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Informer" wrote in message Given the 100's of entirely adequate copies of CDs that I've made with a PC, I can't imagine why a person would do it any other way unless extremely high volumes were needed, and you wanted to burn many copies at a time. Convenience largely. If you're just sitting there listening to music and think 'mmm, copy of that would be nice', you just press a couple of buttons and it's done. I can use a computer up to 18 hours a day for work related stuff, and while I (too) *can* use it to copy cds, I find a standalone 'hifi' recorder does what I want without computer bother. Convenience does cost money, and perhaps that's why you can't understand the reason, although the OP's justification does seem a little weird. Rob |
CD recorders
"Julian Fowler" wrote One other factor: what media are you using? Sorry if I am sounding thick but if you want to know what make of CDR's I am using then at the moment I am using JVC CDR for audio even though I believe this audio version makes no difference when recording via a PC. In the past I have used Maxell CD-R 80 XL-S As at least one other poster has responded, though, the first thing you need to do is acquire a copy of EAC (which will cost you nothing more than the suggestion to send a postcard to its author!) and use that instead of WMP for audio extraction. I will get a copy of this now, thanks guys. |
CD recorders
"Dave Plowman" wrote in message ... In article , Informer wrote: I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd track at high frequencies. You're not using a 'normalize' feature in your software, are you? I have no idea. Where would I look? |
CD recorders
"Arny Krueger" wrote How does it feel to be the modern equivalent of the villiage idiot? Literally millions of people burn CDs on their computer without encountering this kind of problem. Some of these people are literally kids. Not too good at the moment Question, If using a CD burner gives an identical copy then why am I given a choice of burn speeds? Is this just dependent on the max speed of the CDR? |
CD recorders
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:11:38 -0000, "Informer"
wrote: "Julian Fowler" wrote One other factor: what media are you using? Sorry if I am sounding thick but if you want to know what make of CDR's I am using then at the moment I am using JVC CDR for audio even though I believe this audio version makes no difference when recording via a PC. Correct - "audio" when specified for a blank CD-R only means that it has the built-in encoding that consumer standalone CD recorders look for. In a PC, or in a (semi)pro standalone recorder, there is no benefit whatsoever to using the "audio" type. Indeed, because standaline recorders typicallly operate at low speed (1x-4x) the media designed for use in them may be less than suitable for PC burners that work best at considerably higher speeds. In the past I have used Maxell CD-R 80 XL-S Hmmm ... FWIW, Maxell's reputation as a media supplier went from very good (in the days of cassette tape) to very bad -- like many others, "their" blank CD-Rs are simply generic media from one of several different producers in Taiwan, that Maxell slap a brand name on and charge a premium price for. In the last couple of years it does seem that the quality coming from the Taiwanese manufacturers has improved; however, fewer and fewer discs are being made elsewhere. Two manufacturers that continue to produce in Japan, and have a generally high reputation, are Mitsui and Taiyo-Yuden. You're unlikely to see either in shops under those names, although both are available from several online suppliers (e.g., unbranded TYs can be had from www.svpcommunications.co.uk for about £25+P&P per 100). As at least one other poster has responded, though, the first thing you need to do is acquire a copy of EAC (which will cost you nothing more than the suggestion to send a postcard to its author!) and use that instead of WMP for audio extraction. I will get a copy of this now, thanks guys. Excellent decision :-) Julian -- Julian Fowler julian (at) bellevue-barn (dot) org (dot) uk |
CD recorders
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:17:34 -0000, "Informer"
wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote How does it feel to be the modern equivalent of the villiage idiot? Literally millions of people burn CDs on their computer without encountering this kind of problem. Some of these people are literally kids. Not too good at the moment Question, If using a CD burner gives an identical copy then why am I given a choice of burn speeds? Is this just dependent on the max speed of the CDR? You should aim to use the highest speed that the media supports, without overloading the internal systems on the PC (on most recent drives, this will be shown by the "burnproof" feature kicking in, indicating that the PC isn't moving data from the hard disc to the burner at sufficient speed to keep up with the burn process). Determining what this is really a matter of experimentation. For example, I generally burn discs at 16x, on a Dell 500MHz Pentium III desktop w/ 128Mb memory, even though my burner has a max speed of 48x and the media I generally use is rated to 40x. HTH Julian -- Julian Fowler julian (at) bellevue-barn (dot) org (dot) uk |
CD recorders
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:14:02 -0000
"Informer" wrote: You're not using a 'normalize' feature in your software, are you? I have no idea. Where would I look? Typically, the manual. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
CD recorders
Strikes me that the multiple answers to the problem "Informer" has posed
give their own response to why he might use a standalone system. It's easy, without involving lots of jargon and complexity. It's good to holiday on the French Riviera, but you needn't learn to fly 737 to get there. |
CD recorders
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "the dead comedian" wrote in message Buying a stand alone recorder drastically simplified the transferring of vinyl & tapes to CD. Yes, it simplifies out of existence many important capabilities described below. After posting my message, I realized I left out an important sentence fragment after the word CD: for me. Most vinyl I'm transferring is new, and rarely suffers from pops. As for tape & vinyl hiss, I adjust my EQ levels on my stereo. I'm not a big fan of altering the music source through editing. My EQ settings for hiss are different from my uncle's. Who is right? Both of us since we both have different preferences. To deal with pops or other issues, I edit my new source, the audio CD-RW. My laptop is on one side of my Manhattan one bedroom apartment, while my stereo is on the other in the living room. I have to disconnect everything from the laptop, disconnect either my CD or tape player from behind the receiver (which is located in a tightly packed "entertainment center"), and connect everything together. Talk about a lot of effort. I use audio CD-RWs when I need to do some editing on the computer. If I want to make a duplicate CD, I use the high speed sync-recording. I've never had a problem with these dubbed copies, but I still wouldn't use them to burn discs I'm sending in a trade. It also saves time, since I don't have to rip all the tracks to the HD first or accidentally burn the disc TAO. The author is solving a non-existent problem. I copy audio CDs routinely on my PC. It's a total no-brainer. I click an icon, load the discs, click a button and the copy happens automatically and properly. The software (EZ CD 5 or 6 or Nero) does the rest. Have you ever experienced problems burning on-the-fly? If not, good for you .. I would have a huge pile of coasters if I didn't throw them out. More problems occur burning on-the-fly than burning off the HD. That is why many traders ask others not to burn on-the-fly. A multitude of errors can occur, including wasted discs and cropped songs (this has happened to me). It is easier FOR ME to duplicate a CD using my stand alone. Pop in the source & destination discs, then press sync record. Just as simple as your method. Also, I have never wasted a recordable CD yet using the stand alone's sync feature. Keep in mind that human error can screw up discs burned by EZ CD and Nero. The programs are good, but if set incorrectly or in haste..... Non-existent problem? I think I've establish otherwise. People have to find solutions for their specific problems. A general, catch-all solution will not address all problems. I believe in specialization. My television set is the best way to watch TV, my stereo is the best way to listen to music, and my laptop is the best way to surf the web/email/type a document/use a spreadsheet. Jack of all trades, master of none. So speaks the voice of mediocrity and inflexibility. You can't do as good of a job transcribing other media to CD on stand-alone equipment as you can do on a PC. For openers, name a CD recorder with the flexible tic and pop reduction of a PC. Name one that lets you change the loudness of a song after you've recorded it, but before you burn the CD. Name one that lets you edit lead-in noise as accurately and precisely. Reread the first paragraph above for my views on hiss. If I was trading a vinyl sourced disc, I would only eliminate the lead in & lead out noise using my computer. Remember, I never said I never use my computer to edit or burn CDs. As for being "the voice of mediocrity and inflexibility," I believe you spoke in haste without actually asking why I prefer specialization to a catch-all solution. I'll address that next. The statement "My television set is the best way to watch TV" ignores the popularity and power of the Home Theater PC. The statement "My stereo is the best way to listen to music" ignores the popularity of PCs as music players with vast music libraries. I will take my 46 inch flatscreen HDTV over a crappy monitor or laptop screen any day. TiVO is a lot easier to use than the contraption my friend set up on his desktop. How many people have their furniture set up in front of their computer? Nobody I know. My couch is not ergonomically sound, nor is my desk chair sufficiently comfortable to watch a whole movie. I've seen a home theater PC and am not impressed. Just because something is popular, doesn't mean it is better. Beta was superior to VHS, as was laserdisc to DVD. How many of us still have a beta VCR or a laserdisc player? My stereo sounds better than any computer speakers I've tried. My music collection isn't in MP3 format either. MP3 is a lossy format and usually sounds inferior to the original CD. How big would a HD need to be to store 700+ CDs in WAV format? MP3's popularity derives from (1) it's small file size, & (2) the P2P networks where you can get MP3s for free. MP3 is popular despite it's sonic inferiority. My original comments can also be applied in reverse. Take webtv for example. Have you ever tried one before? I have and it was crap. I guess it serves a purpose, but it falls short for what I require. A computer may be an adequate TV and stereo, but it is not the best. Webtv may be adequate to surf the web or send email, but..... |
CD recorders
"Rich Andrews" wrote To extract tracks from the original CD, use EAC. www.exactaudiocopy.de Extract UNcompressed. Then fire up Nero to burn if you like. Downloaded a copy and got silence. Went to the Q and A section and found this Q: When I extract, the extraction proceed very fast, but when I listen to the resulting files, they are all silent. What did I do wrong? A: Sometimes EAC will autodetect a wrong read command. In this case it is possible that only silence is returned. Try to manually select a read command. In the Drive Options, go to Read Commands page and select the Read Command MMC1 manually (or any other that works). Test it with burst mode. If you tested all of them, but none of them worked, try to extract with another program like WinDAC or CDEx. If both also fails, make sure that your drive is capable of extracting digital audio at all. I tried the all the Read command options and still got silence. Guess I am the village idiot, why is nothing simple?? |
CD recorders
"RJH" wrote in message ... "Informer" wrote in message ... "the dead comedian" wrote I say go for the stand-alone. I've had a Sony RCD-W500C for a couple of weeks now and love it. I wish I bought it sooner. Can you record some tracks to a CDR then come back to the same CDR a few weeks later and add more tracks on a stand alone Hi-Fi player like the Sony? Yes, or at least you can on the one I use (a NAD). The compilation is complete when you finalise the disk. You can download the NAD burner's manual from their web site - it explains all in there. I think you might try recording on the pc again though. I wouldn't use your method - extract the tracks from the cd first using an app like EAC, then burn the wav files using Nero. Rob The Sony also allows tracks to be added continuously to a disc until it is finalized. I'm not sure, but I think this is a general feature found on all CD recorders. tdc |
CD recorders
"Ian Molton" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:14:02 -0000 "Informer" wrote: You're not using a 'normalize' feature in your software, are you? I have no idea. Where would I look? Typically, the manual. Found it in the Nero Express manual. Yes I am, as it is on in default, should I untick it? |
CD recorders
"the dead comedian" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "the dead comedian" wrote in message Buying a stand alone recorder drastically simplified the transferring of vinyl & tapes to CD. Yes, it simplifies out of existence many important capabilities described below. After posting my message, I realized I left out an important sentence fragment after the word CD: for me. Most vinyl I'm transferring is new, and rarely suffers from pops. Ok, so we can add deafness to your list of deficiencies. As for tape & vinyl hiss, I adjust my EQ levels on my stereo. I'm not a big fan of altering the music source through editing. I'm not talking about altering, I'm just talking about getting clean starts and finishes. My EQ settings for hiss are different from my uncle's. Who is right? It's not about being right, its about having the facts straight. Both of us since we both have different preferences. To deal with pops or other issues, I edit my new source, the audio CD-RW. Which pretty well deconstructs all of your former arguments. My laptop is on one side of my Manhattan one bedroom apartment, while my stereo is on the other in the living room. I have to disconnect everything from the laptop, disconnect either my CD or tape player from behind the receiver (which is located in a tightly packed "entertainment center"), and connect everything together. Talk about a lot of effort. IOW this isn't about anything about the decor of your apartment. I use audio CD-RWs when I need to do some editing on the computer. If I want to make a duplicate CD, I use the high speed sync-recording. I've never had a problem with these dubbed copies, but I still wouldn't use them to burn discs I'm sending in a trade. It also saves time, since I don't have to rip all the tracks to the HD first or accidentally burn the disc TAO. The author is solving a non-existent problem. I copy audio CDs routinely on my PC. It's a total no-brainer. I click an icon, load the discs, click a button and the copy happens automatically and properly. The software (EZ CD 5 or 6 or Nero) does the rest. Have you ever experienced problems burning on-the-fly? Not for several years. Something about CD burners with the "Burn Proof" feature. If not, good for you . I would have a huge pile of coasters if I didn't throw them out. You might want to get a better CD burner for your PC. More problems occur burning on-the-fly than burning off the HD. Might be, but at current prices for CD blanks, a coaster or two doesn't break the bank. That is why many traders ask others not to burn on-the-fly. I remember that 4 or 5 years ago, there were problems of the nature you describe. However, that was 4 or 5 years ago. A multitude of errors can occur, including wasted discs and cropped songs (this has happened to me). It is easier FOR ME to duplicate a CD using my stand alone. Pop in the source & destination discs, then press sync record. Just as simple as your method. Except it involves something I've never had the need to spend money on. Also, I have never wasted a recordable CD yet using the stand alone's sync feature. You check this box in the CD copy software to use the hard drive as an intermediate, and you get the same benefits. Keep in mind that human error can screw up discs burned by EZ CD and Nero. The programs are good, but if set incorrectly or in haste..... Not for straight copying... Non-existent problem? I think I've establish otherwise. People have to find solutions for their specific problems. A general, catch-all solution will not address all problems. Your mind is obviously highly made up. I believe in specialization. My television set is the best way to watch TV, my stereo is the best way to listen to music, and my laptop is the best way to surf the web/email/type a document/use a spreadsheet. Jack of all trades, master of none. So speaks the voice of mediocrity and inflexibility. You can't do as good of a job transcribing other media to CD on stand-alone equipment as you can do on a PC. For openers, name a CD recorder with the flexible tic and pop reduction of a PC. Name one that lets you change the loudness of a song after you've recorded it, but before you burn the CD. Name one that lets you edit lead-in noise as accurately and precisely. Reread the first paragraph above for my views on hiss. You've obviously got a lot more tolerance for it than I do. If I was trading a vinyl sourced disc, I would only eliminate the lead in & lead out noise using my computer. That would be one of my points. Remember, I never said I never use my computer to edit or burn CDs. I'm still looking for a valid reason not to use a computer to edit, burn or copy CDs other than messing with the decor of your apartment. As for being "the voice of mediocrity and inflexibility," I believe you spoke in haste without actually asking why I prefer specialization to a catch-all solution. I think you've already made your position quite clear. I'll address that next. The statement "My television set is the best way to watch TV" ignores the popularity and power of the Home Theater PC. The statement "My stereo is the best way to listen to music" ignores the popularity of PCs as music players with vast music libraries. I will take my 46 inch flatscreen HDTV over a crappy monitor or laptop screen any day. Ignorance of what a Home Theater PC actually is, noted. TiVO is a lot easier to use than the contraption my friend set up on his desktop. How many people have their furniture set up in front of their computer? Nobody I know. Ignorance of what a Home Theater PC actually is, noted. My couch is not ergonomically sound, nor is my desk chair sufficiently comfortable to watch a whole movie. I've seen a home theater PC and am not impressed. You must have seen a crappy implementation. HTPCs can have any display that has a RGB connector on it which covers lots of territory, right up to a commercial digital projector in a regular movie theater. I'll bet you don't know that one of the most widely-used high quality digital projectors for commercial theaters boots Windows 2000. IOW, it's a turnkey HTPC in a rack mount, with a heavy duty video projector. Just because something is popular, doesn't mean it is better. Beta was superior to VHS, as was laserdisc to DVD. How many of us still have a beta VCR or a laserdisc player? Irrelevant. My stereo sounds better than any computer speakers I've tried. My stereo runs as a peripheral of a PC. My music collection isn't in MP3 format either. I guess you never heard of .wav and FLAC files. MP3 is a lossy format and usually sounds inferior to the original CD. How big would a HD need to be to store 700+ CDs in WAV format? 350 Gigabytes. Two 180 GB drives. About $400 worth of drives. MP3's popularity derives from (1) it's small file size, & (2) the P2P networks where you can get MP3s for free. MP3 is popular despite it's sonic inferiority. Even my Nomad Jukebox 3 is loaded with .wav files. My original comments can also be applied in reverse. Take webtv for example. Have you ever tried one before? I have and it was crap. I guess it serves a purpose, but it falls short for what I require. Irrelevant. A computer may be an adequate TV and stereo, but it is not the best. For these applications a PC can be, as I have shown, as good as the best. Webtv may be adequate to surf the web or send email, but..... Irrelevant. |
CD recorders
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:36:17 GMT
"the dead comedian" wrote: Have you ever experienced problems burning on-the-fly? Honestly no. I can burn at 12x whilst playing Quake 3 without burnproof on. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
| All times are GMT. The time now is 08:34 PM. |
|
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0
Copyright ©2004-2006 AudioBanter.co.uk