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Also Michael, look at the reduced growth during the depression, if this
growth rate were the normal then the US would not have anything like the population it does today. Because one country may not achieve the growth Patrick is proposing doesn't mean another country hasn't achieved it. A demographer you're not Michael. "Michael Conzo" wrote in message ... "Patric" wrote: I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2 million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately 160 years since the Famine emigration began. A demographer you're not. The population of China in 1850 was about 450,000,000. By your analysis, China (also until recently with extremely large families) should have a population of almost 5 billion now. Your statistics are dodgy by a factor of at least four. |
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And Michael, just to prove a point....
In June 1995, Australia's population was 18.1 million, almost twice the size it was 40 years ago, and four times the size in 1910. Please fine this info at the following Aust. Gov. web address.. "Michael Conzo" wrote in message ... "Patric" wrote: I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2 million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately 160 years since the Famine emigration began. A demographer you're not. The population of China in 1850 was about 450,000,000. By your analysis, China (also until recently with extremely large families) should have a population of almost 5 billion now. Your statistics are dodgy by a factor of at least four. |
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"Patric" wrote in message ... "It might also help a reasonable person to understand why many people of Irish extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard" It's worth noting that that attitude is mainly displayed by non-Irish people "of Irish extraction"; the Irish and English themselves get on fine ... Lots of us have dual citizenship, being Irish Citizens and British Citizens. Tim |
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 09:00:14 GMT, "Tim Martin"
wrote: "Patric" wrote in message .. . "It might also help a reasonable person to understand why many people of Irish extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard" It's worth noting that that attitude is mainly displayed by non-Irish people "of Irish extraction"; the Irish and English themselves get on fine ... Lots of us have dual citizenship, being Irish Citizens and British Citizens. Tim Probably because the foreign Irish aren't as well versed in history. I was Cromwell who did most of the unpleasant stuff to the Irish. While he has doing that, he was screwing the English over comprehensively as well. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message ... Probably because the foreign Irish aren't as well versed in history. I sometimes think that people who buy books are as gullible as those who buy hi-fi. People have a stunning capacity for believing nonsense. For what it's worth ,my advice to anyone interested in learning about Irish history is: 1) Search out books on Irish history written by Irish historians working at Irish universities. That's the best way I can think of to ensure that the books are based on factual Irish history. 2) Ignore any specific recommendations for books. There's just too much political propagandaout there, exploited by pot-boiler authors whose aim is to make money rather than enlighten. And the more sensational the author's claims, the more money made. Tim |
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 09:59:21 GMT, "Tim Martin"
wrote: "Don Pearce" wrote in message ... Probably because the foreign Irish aren't as well versed in history. I sometimes think that people who buy books are as gullible as those who buy hi-fi. People have a stunning capacity for believing nonsense. For what it's worth ,my advice to anyone interested in learning about Irish history is: 1) Search out books on Irish history written by Irish historians working at Irish universities. That's the best way I can think of to ensure that the books are based on factual Irish history. Disagree here. What you will get in any history book - particularly one written by someone with a personal agenda or interest will always be a partial account. Read books from both sides, discard 90% of each as nonsense and you have half a chance of getting something solid. 2) Ignore any specific recommendations for books. There's just too much political propagandaout there, exploited by pot-boiler authors whose aim is to make money rather than enlighten. And the more sensational the author's claims, the more money made. Tim See me answer to 1). d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Tim Martin wrote:
"Patric" wrote in message ... "It might also help a reasonable person to understand why many people of Irish extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard" It's worth noting that that attitude is mainly displayed by non-Irish people "of Irish extraction"; the Irish and English themselves get on fine ... Lots of us have dual citizenship, being Irish Citizens and British Citizens. Tim Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities and individuals is a well-documented issue, and *remains* an institutionalised aspect of British society. I - and I'm sure may who read this NG - have first hand experience of the process. Rob |
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Sat, 07 May 2005 14:39:52 +1000, Michael Conzo wrote: "Patric" wrote: I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2 million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately 160 years since the Famine emigration began. A demographer you're not. And he's not Irish-American, either. The population of China in 1850 was about 450,000,000. By your analysis, China (also until recently with extremely large families) should have a population of almost 5 billion now. Your statistics are dodgy by a factor of at least four. Well, de Oirish was always a bit tick, boyo.............. Is that supposed to be funny? Rob |
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"Rob" wrote in message ... Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an institutionalised aspect of British society. Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it. Tim |
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Tim Martin wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message ... Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an institutionalised aspect of British society. Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it. Tim Fair enough :-). Take a quick look at http://www.cre.gov.uk/downloads/irinbrit.pdf - plenty of documented evidence, although rather sketchy. Examples of stereotypes - and that is what they are - can be found much closer to home. In this very thread in fact. As to why people hold these attitudes and assuming you can take them as a 'given', the answer is complex and controversial. It's basically the same as the answer to 'why racism?'. I have an informed opinion - rather OT for this group ;-). If you fancy trying this out, go into a pub with a 'No travellers' sign in the window, and strike up a conversation about the benefits of ethnic diversity with the locals. Make sure you have a clear route to the door. Rob |
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On Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:20 +0000 (UTC), Rob
wrote: Tim Martin wrote: "Rob" wrote in message ... Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an institutionalised aspect of British society. Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it. Tim Fair enough :-). Take a quick look at http://www.cre.gov.uk/downloads/irinbrit.pdf - plenty of documented evidence, although rather sketchy. Examples of stereotypes - and that is what they are - can be found much closer to home. In this very thread in fact. As to why people hold these attitudes and assuming you can take them as a 'given', the answer is complex and controversial. It's basically the same as the answer to 'why racism?'. I have an informed opinion - rather OT for this group ;-). If you fancy trying this out, go into a pub with a 'No travellers' sign in the window, and strike up a conversation about the benefits of ethnic diversity with the locals. Make sure you have a clear route to the door. Rob I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no discrimination. Certainly I have several Irish friends who have never talked to me about any troubles. On the other hand, while travelling in the Republic, I have encountered some anti-British racism. It was very much a minority thing, though, and it came from the kind of moronic neanderthal who would be a racist wherever he lived. As for the "No travellers" thing - that is rather different. There are certainly considerable problems associated with traveller communities. They tend to leave scenes of devastation in their wake when they leave a district, and hugely inflated crime rates while they are present. Whether they are Irish or not simply isn't an issue. On the other hand, perhaps you are the one making the racial link with trouble... d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Anyone able to tell me what these discussions have to do with the subject
threat about bookshelf speakers??? ------------------------------ Tim Martin wrote: "Rob" wrote in message ... Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an institutionalised aspect of British society. Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it. Tim Fair enough :-). Take a quick look at http://www.cre.gov.uk/downloads/irinbrit.pdf - plenty of documented evidence, although rather sketchy. Examples of stereotypes - and that is what they are - can be found much closer to home. In this very thread in fact. As to why people hold these attitudes and assuming you can take them as a 'given', the answer is complex and controversial. It's basically the same as the answer to 'why racism?'. I have an informed opinion - rather OT for this group ;-). If you fancy trying this out, go into a pub with a 'No travellers' sign in the window, and strike up a conversation about the benefits of ethnic diversity with the locals. Make sure you have a clear route to the door. Rob |
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Don Pearce said: I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no discrimination. Uh.... you're English, right? In the States, I've heard white people say they believe discrimination against black people is exaggerated by the media, or by social activists, or by politicians, or by Professional Victims. The truth is that no white person can really know how much and what kind of discrimination black people encounter. Remember the movie "Watermelon Man"? Maybe you could sponsor a Limerick Man project, in which a Limey goes undercover to see what it's like for someone who comes from the other side of the Irish Sea. |
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 08:53:14 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote: Don Pearce said: I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no discrimination. Uh.... you're English, right? In the States, I've heard white people say they believe discrimination against black people is exaggerated by the media, or by social activists, or by politicians, or by Professional Victims. The truth is that no white person can really know how much and what kind of discrimination black people encounter. Remember the movie "Watermelon Man"? Maybe you could sponsor a Limerick Man project, in which a Limey goes undercover to see what it's like for someone who comes from the other side of the Irish Sea. Limey - 'scuse me? And you decided to snip the rest of my post, where I mentioned some discrimination against me, but I guess that doesn't suit your agenda. As I said, my Irish friends are very happy here, and encounter no discrimination. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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On Sat, 7 May 2005 08:49:43 -0400, "James"
wrote: Anyone able to tell me what these discussions have to do with the subject threat about bookshelf speakers??? Threat? Is there a conspiracy? And this is Usenet - no subject survives beyond the third post. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:20 +0000 (UTC), Rob wrote: Tim Martin wrote: "Rob" wrote in message ... Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an institutionalised aspect of British society. Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it. Tim Fair enough :-). Take a quick look at http://www.cre.gov.uk/downloads/irinbrit.pdf - plenty of documented evidence, although rather sketchy. Examples of stereotypes - and that is what they are - can be found much closer to home. In this very thread in fact. As to why people hold these attitudes and assuming you can take them as a 'given', the answer is complex and controversial. It's basically the same as the answer to 'why racism?'. I have an informed opinion - rather OT for this group ;-). If you fancy trying this out, go into a pub with a 'No travellers' sign in the window, and strike up a conversation about the benefits of ethnic diversity with the locals. Make sure you have a clear route to the door. Rob I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no discrimination. I live in London - presumably you're talking about Irish people. If your friends are 'working class' Irish-Catholic I'm very surprised, but your point is interesting. I once received a letter from Margaret Thatcher (when she was PM) asking me to move someone from an area because (as she saw it) the area contained Irish people, and (therefore, as she would have it) that person was at risk from terrorists. As I say - look at the CRE site. And to drag this thread vaguely on-topic - have a listen to Christy Moore! Or the Pogues. Certainly I have several Irish friends who have never talked to me about any troubles. On the other hand, while travelling in the Republic, I have encountered some anti-British racism. It was very much a minority thing, though, and it came from the kind of moronic neanderthal who would be a racist wherever he lived. Quite! As for the "No travellers" thing - that is rather different. There are certainly considerable problems associated with traveller communities. They tend to leave scenes of devastation in their wake when they leave a district, and hugely inflated crime rates while they are present. Whether they are Irish or not simply isn't an issue. "They tend" - I'm afraid I don't agree. I don't mean to patronise here - I'm sure you've checked your facts - but for anyone else who happens by this thread - take a quick look at: http://www.cre.gov.uk/gdpract/g_and_t_facts.html Perhaps you could let me know your source please? There is no tendency for travellers en bloc to *cause* problems. That wasn't really my point. In my experience a "No travellers" sign is an indication of bad attitudes within the pub. On the other hand, perhaps you are the one making the racial link with trouble... Do you mean linking trouble with race? I don't think race is the cause of any discrimination - it's people's attitudes about race. Now, where they get those attitudes from is an interesting issue. Rob |
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Don Pearce said: Remember the movie "Watermelon Man"? Maybe you could sponsor a Limerick Man project, in which a Limey goes undercover to see what it's like for someone who comes from the other side of the Irish Sea. Limey - 'scuse me? And you decided to snip the rest of my post, where I mentioned some discrimination against me, but I guess that doesn't suit your agenda. It's only a discussion, not an agenda. I don't care if you and the Micks want to slaughter each other over who gets to speak for "God". Your business. As I said, my Irish friends are very happy here, and encounter no discrimination. I'll bet they've learned to pass. :-) Seriously, though, I've never witnessed any discrimination against black people at first-hand, yet I believe it's widespread. Maybe my lack of direct knowledge is a result of my own discrimination in terms of the people I hang with. I daresay you wouldn't want to be around people who trash the Irish or any other group. |
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On Sat, 7 May 2005 13:20:27 +0000 (UTC), Rob
wrote: Don Pearce wrote: On Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:20 +0000 (UTC), Rob wrote: Tim Martin wrote: "Rob" wrote in message ... Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an institutionalised aspect of British society. Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it. Tim Fair enough :-). Take a quick look at http://www.cre.gov.uk/downloads/irinbrit.pdf - plenty of documented evidence, although rather sketchy. Examples of stereotypes - and that is what they are - can be found much closer to home. In this very thread in fact. As to why people hold these attitudes and assuming you can take them as a 'given', the answer is complex and controversial. It's basically the same as the answer to 'why racism?'. I have an informed opinion - rather OT for this group ;-). If you fancy trying this out, go into a pub with a 'No travellers' sign in the window, and strike up a conversation about the benefits of ethnic diversity with the locals. Make sure you have a clear route to the door. Rob I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no discrimination. I live in London - presumably you're talking about Irish people. If your friends are 'working class' Irish-Catholic I'm very surprised, but your point is interesting. I once received a letter from Margaret Thatcher (when she was PM) asking me to move someone from an area because (as she saw it) the area contained Irish people, and (therefore, as she would have it) that person was at risk from terrorists. As I say - look at the CRE site. And to drag this thread vaguely on-topic - have a listen to Christy Moore! Or the Pogues. Certainly I have several Irish friends who have never talked to me about any troubles. On the other hand, while travelling in the Republic, I have encountered some anti-British racism. It was very much a minority thing, though, and it came from the kind of moronic neanderthal who would be a racist wherever he lived. Quite! As for the "No travellers" thing - that is rather different. There are certainly considerable problems associated with traveller communities. They tend to leave scenes of devastation in their wake when they leave a district, and hugely inflated crime rates while they are present. Whether they are Irish or not simply isn't an issue. "They tend" - I'm afraid I don't agree. I don't mean to patronise here - I'm sure you've checked your facts - but for anyone else who happens by this thread - take a quick look at: http://www.cre.gov.uk/gdpract/g_and_t_facts.html Perhaps you could let me know your source please? There is no tendency for travellers en bloc to *cause* problems. That wasn't really my point. In my experience a "No travellers" sign is an indication of bad attitudes within the pub. On the other hand, perhaps you are the one making the racial link with trouble... Do you mean linking trouble with race? I don't think race is the cause of any discrimination - it's people's attitudes about race. Now, where they get those attitudes from is an interesting issue. Rob Where they come from is quite simple. People tend to identify themselves with groups. Those groups may be their friends, colleagues or nationality. It is hard to say there is something wrong with this - it is just human nature. It is when the natural tendency to group turns pathological that the problems start. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 09:23:48 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote: Don Pearce said: Remember the movie "Watermelon Man"? Maybe you could sponsor a Limerick Man project, in which a Limey goes undercover to see what it's like for someone who comes from the other side of the Irish Sea. Limey - 'scuse me? And you decided to snip the rest of my post, where I mentioned some discrimination against me, but I guess that doesn't suit your agenda. It's only a discussion, not an agenda. I don't care if you and the Micks want to slaughter each other over who gets to speak for "God". Your business. Speaking for "god" is at the heart of the problem. If only there was one to speak for, perhaps he would provide some guidance for the speakers. As I said, my Irish friends are very happy here, and encounter no discrimination. I'll bet they've learned to pass. :-) Seriously, though, I've never witnessed any discrimination against black people at first-hand, yet I believe it's widespread. Maybe my lack of direct knowledge is a result of my own discrimination in terms of the people I hang with. I daresay you wouldn't want to be around people who trash the Irish or any other group. AH - now you hit the nub. DIscrimination is discrimination is discrimination. There is no need to ask who is being discriminated against - just fill in the blank with the stereotype of your choice. For some reason, race is seen as somehow special. I don't agree. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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"Rob" wrote in message ... Tim Martin wrote: "Rob" wrote in message ... Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities ... *remains* an institutionalised aspect of British society. Please feel free to explain. If I understand that's going on, I'll write to my MP and instruct him to put a stop to it. Tim Fair enough :-). Take a quick look at http://www.cre.gov.uk/downloads/irinbrit.pdf - plenty of documented evidence, although rather sketchy. Examples of stereotypes - and that is what they are - can be found much closer to home. In this very thread in fact. Ah. OK; what that document contains is examples of individual racism, and I'm sure the authors could have cited many, many more. When you referred to anti-Irish racism being an "institionalized aspect of British society", I mistook your meaning to refer to some kind of official policies (which is why I thought I could instruct my MP to put a stop to it.). I now realise that's not what you meant. Incidentally, the document made one point I hadn't considered: that the Irish in Britain can be divided into two groups, those who've been here a long time and those who've arrived since the 1980s, with the latter group being highly qualified. I assume the latter group are less likely to suffer discrimination, but members of lists such as this may be more likely to encounter Irishmen in this group than the other. I'm not sure that the reaction to "travellers" in Britain is any different to the reaction to "travellers" in Ireland ... Tim |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message Don Pearce said: I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no discrimination. Uh.... you're English, right? In the States, I've heard white people say they believe discrimination against black people is exaggerated by the media, or by social activists, or by politicians, or by Professional Victims. The truth is that no white person can really know how much and what kind of discrimination black people encounter. Remember the movie "Watermelon Man"? Maybe you could sponsor a Limerick Man project, in which a Limey goes undercover to see what it's like for someone who comes from the other side of the Irish Sea. I lived in London for many years and am still a regular visitor. It is simply too multicultural and multi-ethnic a city to make any sort of racism or discrimination seem commonplace. If you did experience any, it was more the exception than the rule. |
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I lived in London for many years and am still a regular visitor. It is simply too multicultural and multi-ethnic a city to make
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Patric wrote: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:43:29 +0000, Chris Morriss wrote: In message , Peter Sammon writes Now we've got 22,721,252 drunken' Irish who all hate the Brits. Good God, there's only four and a half million of them in the whole of Ireland. Yes, and this stems from a time when "God" definitely was not good! Given that the peak of imigration into the US was only about 140 years ago, what have they been doing to get to 22 Million) I think it's pretty obvious... ;) |
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APR wrote: Michael, The US population in 1850 was around 22 million, it is now 280 million. This is a greater percentage then what you were proposing for China. Look at the following graph http://www.npg.org/historypop.html Actually, our governmetn undercounts at least 15 million-20 million illegal immigrants. The actual population in the U.S. currently ia roughly 320 million, with about 25 million of that not on the official government tally. |
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"Patric" wrote in message ... **You are a stupid, evil, cross-posting moron. Bugger off and learn a bit of decency and etiquette. And for those who imagine that cross-posting makes any kind of sense, this idiot is perfect proof that it is not OK. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:20 +0000 (UTC), Rob wrote: If you fancy trying this out, go into a pub with a 'No travellers' sign in the window, and strike up a conversation about the benefits of ethnic diversity with the locals. Make sure you have a clear route to the door. Rob I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no discrimination. Certainly I have several Irish friends who have never talked to me about any troubles. On the other hand, while travelling in the Republic, I have encountered some anti-British racism. It was very much a minority thing, though, and it came from the kind of moronic neanderthal who would be a racist wherever he lived. As for the "No travellers" thing - that is rather different. There are certainly considerable problems associated with traveller communities. They tend to leave scenes of devastation in their wake when they leave a district, and hugely inflated crime rates while they are present. Whether they are Irish or not simply isn't an issue. On the other hand, perhaps you are the one making the racial link with trouble... Question: What does 'no travellers' refer to? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Check out this link Clyde
http://www.cre.gov.uk/gdpract/g_and_t_facts.html "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Don Pearce" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:20 +0000 (UTC), Rob wrote: If you fancy trying this out, go into a pub with a 'No travellers' sign in the window, and strike up a conversation about the benefits of ethnic diversity with the locals. Make sure you have a clear route to the door. Rob I don't know where you live, but here in London I believe there is no discrimination. Certainly I have several Irish friends who have never talked to me about any troubles. On the other hand, while travelling in the Republic, I have encountered some anti-British racism. It was very much a minority thing, though, and it came from the kind of moronic neanderthal who would be a racist wherever he lived. As for the "No travellers" thing - that is rather different. There are certainly considerable problems associated with traveller communities. They tend to leave scenes of devastation in their wake when they leave a district, and hugely inflated crime rates while they are present. Whether they are Irish or not simply isn't an issue. On the other hand, perhaps you are the one making the racial link with trouble... Question: What does 'no travellers' refer to? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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What does this have to do with Bookshelf speakers???
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"James" wrote in message ... What does this have to do with Bookshelf speakers??? Travellers often use bookshelf speakers, due to space restrictions in their caravans. Tim |
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"APR" wrote:
And Michael, just to prove a point.... In June 1995, Australia's population was 18.1 million, almost twice the size it was 40 years ago, and four times the size in 1910 Comparing countries with essentially open migration like the US and Australia to a countries natural growth rate is absurd. The fact remains your assertions are dodgy. |
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Not considering that there was continual migration from Ireland to the US
over the period. Therefore the Irish contingent in the US was being increased by migration. Todays US Irish population isn't just the result of births from the original immigrants to the US 150 years ago. "Michael Conzo" wrote in message ... "APR" wrote: And Michael, just to prove a point.... In June 1995, Australia's population was 18.1 million, almost twice the size it was 40 years ago, and four times the size in 1910 Comparing countries with essentially open migration like the US and Australia to a countries natural growth rate is absurd. The fact remains your assertions are dodgy. |
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On Sat, 7 May 2005 10:56:30 +0000 (UTC), Rob
wrote: Stewart Pinkerton wrote: On Sat, 07 May 2005 14:39:52 +1000, Michael Conzo wrote: "Patric" wrote: I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2 million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately 160 years since the Famine emigration began. A demographer you're not. And he's not Irish-American, either. The population of China in 1850 was about 450,000,000. By your analysis, China (also until recently with extremely large families) should have a population of almost 5 billion now. Your statistics are dodgy by a factor of at least four. Well, de Oirish was always a bit tick, boyo.............. Is that supposed to be funny? Only if you're not a tick Oirishman........... -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 09:59:21 GMT, "Tim Martin"
wrote: "Don Pearce" wrote in message ... Probably because the foreign Irish aren't as well versed in history. I sometimes think that people who buy books are as gullible as those who buy hi-fi. People have a stunning capacity for believing nonsense. For what it's worth ,my advice to anyone interested in learning about Irish history is: 1) Search out books on Irish history written by Irish historians working at Irish universities. That's the best way I can think of to ensure that the books are based on factual Irish history. However, be sure to ignore any opinions of the English contained therein....................... 2) Ignore any specific recommendations for books. There's just too much political propagandaout there, exploited by pot-boiler authors whose aim is to make money rather than enlighten. And the more sensational the author's claims, the more money made. Ah, you've been reading Andre Jute? :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Sat, 7 May 2005 10:53:40 +0000 (UTC), Rob
wrote: Tim Martin wrote: "Patric" wrote in message ... "It might also help a reasonable person to understand why many people of Irish extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard" It's worth noting that that attitude is mainly displayed by non-Irish people "of Irish extraction"; the Irish and English themselves get on fine ... Lots of us have dual citizenship, being Irish Citizens and British Citizens. Tim Direct and indirect discrimination of Irish communities and individuals is a well-documented issue, and *remains* an institutionalised aspect of British society. I - and I'm sure may who read this NG - have first hand experience of the process. Those of us with first-hand experience of Irish 'travellers' may note that such discimination is not based on prejudice, but on accurate observation............ -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Pukey said: Those of us with first-hand experience of Irish 'travellers' may note that such discimination is not based on prejudice, but on accurate observation............ And yet they say not all Scots are drunks. Have you no pride, Pinkie? |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 07:12:07 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote: Pukey said: Those of us with first-hand experience of Irish 'travellers' may note that such discimination is not based on prejudice, but on accurate observation............ And yet they say not all Scots are drunks. Have you no pride, Pinkie? Hell. I thought I'd just flashed back to RAO. Hell again. |
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Don Pearce said: You have. This thread is cross-posted there :-( Paulie rolls over and plays dead on command. Last time he surfaced, the command was "God wants NATO to perish in a cauldron of flames in Iraq." We haven\'t learned what the new command is. I\'m thinking of trying out something related to rogue icebergs. |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 08:15:49 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote: Don Pearce said: You have. This thread is cross-posted there :-( Paulie rolls over and plays dead on command. Last time he surfaced, the command was "God wants NATO to perish in a cauldron of flames in Iraq." We haven\'t learned what the new command is. I\'m thinking of trying out something related to rogue icebergs. And their impact on Kansas? d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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