"Westy" wrote in message
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:55:58 -0000, "Westy"
wrote:

With respect, the kit you are talking about is not going to hold a
candle,
even to a budget dedicated modern CD player such as the NAD 521BEE in
terms
of out and out sound quality.

I can see what you're saying about the functionality and versitility of
DVDP/DAC etc. but I think that Adrian is wanting to acheve the very
best
sound quality he can for the money he has to spend (looking at the rest
of
his system) and the way to achieve that is undoubtedly to buy the best
seperate CD player he can afford.

Not true. I've been auditioning 'universal' players, and the Denon
2900 and Pioneer 868 are sonically indistinguishable from a
top-quality 'dedicated' CD player (Meridian 588 in this case).
Personally, I favour the Pioneer for its HDMI interface, but the audio
performance is truly top-class by any standard, unless you are seduced
by the marketing bull**** of 'purity' in a CD-only player. A separate
DAC is of course *not* the answer if you want a low-jitter solution.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Maybe they are but aren't the Denon and Pioneer players you speak of
around
£1200 & £750 respectively? They are in a different price range completely
to what we are talking about here.



Westy, I would take a £500,000,000 bet that a CD played on my £350 (RRP)
Panasonic E50 DVDR would sound as good as it would on any CDP up to a grand!

:-)

Hi,

In message , Stewart
Pinkerton writes
Not true. I've been auditioning 'universal' players, and the Denon
2900 and Pioneer 868 are sonically indistinguishable from a
top-quality 'dedicated' CD player (Meridian 588 in this case).
Personally, I favour the Pioneer for its HDMI interface, but the audio
performance is truly top-class by any standard, unless you are seduced
by the marketing bull**** of 'purity' in a CD-only player.

I got the good fortune to see an HDMI system the other day, at Pioneer's
demo suite. It's capable of *seriously* good quality. I'm a bit spoiled,
as I get to work with HDTV video fairly regularly, but HDMI still
impressed me. Unfortunately, I totally failed to get their HDMI display
to work with our graphics card, which was the point of the exercise, but
that's another story...

All other things being equal, HDMI would tip the balance for me.
--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:43:15 -0000, "Westy"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:55:58 -0000, "Westy"
wrote:

With respect, the kit you are talking about is not going to hold a candle,
even to a budget dedicated modern CD player such as the NAD 521BEE in terms
of out and out sound quality.

I can see what you're saying about the functionality and versitility of
DVDP/DAC etc. but I think that Adrian is wanting to acheve the very best
sound quality he can for the money he has to spend (looking at the rest of
his system) and the way to achieve that is undoubtedly to buy the best
seperate CD player he can afford.

Not true. I've been auditioning 'universal' players, and the Denon
2900 and Pioneer 868 are sonically indistinguishable from a
top-quality 'dedicated' CD player (Meridian 588 in this case).
Personally, I favour the Pioneer for its HDMI interface, but the audio
performance is truly top-class by any standard, unless you are seduced
by the marketing bull**** of 'purity' in a CD-only player. A separate
DAC is of course *not* the answer if you want a low-jitter solution.

Maybe they are but aren't the Denon and Pioneer players you speak of around
£1200 & £750 respectively? They are in a different price range completely
to what we are talking about here.

Fair enough, in which case go for the Sony DV-900, which should be
available for about £300 since it's been replaced, and will easily
match any CD player at the same price.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote

Maybe they are but aren't the Denon and Pioneer players you speak of
around
£1200 & £750 respectively? They are in a different price range
completely
to what we are talking about here.

Fair enough, in which case go for the Sony DV-900, which should be
available for about £300 since it's been replaced, and will easily
match any CD player at the same price.


As will the rapidly-disappearing Panasonic DMR-E50 DVD *Recorder*........

(Which also creams right through those, er, 'difficult' DVD-Video disks that
other players struggle with!)

"Glenn Booth" wrote in message
...
Hi,

In message , Stewart
Pinkerton writes
Not true. I've been auditioning 'universal' players, and the Denon
2900 and Pioneer 868 are sonically indistinguishable from a
top-quality 'dedicated' CD player (Meridian 588 in this case).
Personally, I favour the Pioneer for its HDMI interface, but the audio
performance is truly top-class by any standard, unless you are seduced
by the marketing bull**** of 'purity' in a CD-only player.

I got the good fortune to see an HDMI system the other day, at Pioneer's
demo suite. It's capable of *seriously* good quality. I'm a bit spoiled,
as I get to work with HDTV video fairly regularly, but HDMI still
impressed me. Unfortunately, I totally failed to get their HDMI display
to work with our graphics card, which was the point of the exercise, but
that's another story...

All other things being equal, HDMI would tip the balance for me.


*Bank* balance, I take it.....

:-)

I don't have that sort of cash to flash or i'd see you down William Hill

I don't believe it - I wish I knew where I could hear a comparison -
unfortunately the Hi Fi shops I use (Vickers & The Sound Organisation in
York) only stock HiFi and a bit of high end AV stuff.

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Westy" wrote in message
...

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:55:58 -0000, "Westy"
wrote:

With respect, the kit you are talking about is not going to hold a
candle,
even to a budget dedicated modern CD player such as the NAD 521BEE in
terms
of out and out sound quality.

I can see what you're saying about the functionality and versitility
of
DVDP/DAC etc. but I think that Adrian is wanting to acheve the very
best
sound quality he can for the money he has to spend (looking at the
rest
of
his system) and the way to achieve that is undoubtedly to buy the
best
seperate CD player he can afford.

Not true. I've been auditioning 'universal' players, and the Denon
2900 and Pioneer 868 are sonically indistinguishable from a
top-quality 'dedicated' CD player (Meridian 588 in this case).
Personally, I favour the Pioneer for its HDMI interface, but the audio
performance is truly top-class by any standard, unless you are seduced
by the marketing bull**** of 'purity' in a CD-only player. A separate
DAC is of course *not* the answer if you want a low-jitter solution.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Maybe they are but aren't the Denon and Pioneer players you speak of
around
£1200 & £750 respectively? They are in a different price range
completely
to what we are talking about here.



Westy, I would take a £500,000,000 bet that a CD played on my £350 (RRP)
Panasonic E50 DVDR would sound as good as it would on any CDP up to a
grand!

:-)

Well if that is the case then the Sony DVD players at £300 offer better
sound quality (by far) than their £300 CD players. I have owned Sony CD
players in the past and have ended up selling them on eBay as they simply
don't do it for me sonically.



"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:43:15 -0000, "Westy"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:55:58 -0000, "Westy"
wrote:

With respect, the kit you are talking about is not going to hold a
candle,
even to a budget dedicated modern CD player such as the NAD 521BEE in
terms
of out and out sound quality.

I can see what you're saying about the functionality and versitility
of
DVDP/DAC etc. but I think that Adrian is wanting to acheve the very
best
sound quality he can for the money he has to spend (looking at the
rest of
his system) and the way to achieve that is undoubtedly to buy the best
seperate CD player he can afford.

Not true. I've been auditioning 'universal' players, and the Denon
2900 and Pioneer 868 are sonically indistinguishable from a
top-quality 'dedicated' CD player (Meridian 588 in this case).
Personally, I favour the Pioneer for its HDMI interface, but the audio
performance is truly top-class by any standard, unless you are seduced
by the marketing bull**** of 'purity' in a CD-only player. A separate
DAC is of course *not* the answer if you want a low-jitter solution.

Maybe they are but aren't the Denon and Pioneer players you speak of
around
£1200 & £750 respectively? They are in a different price range
completely
to what we are talking about here.

Fair enough, in which case go for the Sony DV-900, which should be
available for about £300 since it's been replaced, and will easily
match any CD player at the same price.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Westy" wrote in message
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I don't have that sort of cash to flash or i'd see you down William Hill



OK, neither do I - or I wouldn't be titting arround in here! :-)


I don't believe it - I wish I knew where I could hear a comparison -
unfortunately the Hi Fi shops I use (Vickers & The Sound Organisation in
York) only stock HiFi and a bit of high end AV stuff.


Well ask them - they must be ideally placed to make the comparison. CDPS are
'hifi', DVDRs are AV and £1,000 DVDRs have gotta be getting on for the 'high
end' surely?


Now, try to stop top-posting for fuxache - I need to trace the words I'm
replying to with my fingertip (or I lose the jist). Top-posting makes this
too hard to do, so I normally don't bother......

;-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Westy" wrote in message
...
I don't have that sort of cash to flash or i'd see you down William Hill



OK, neither do I - or I wouldn't be titting arround in here! :-)


I don't believe it - I wish I knew where I could hear a comparison -
unfortunately the Hi Fi shops I use (Vickers & The Sound Organisation in
York) only stock HiFi and a bit of high end AV stuff.


Well ask them - they must be ideally placed to make the comparison. CDPS
are
'hifi', DVDRs are AV and £1,000 DVDRs have gotta be getting on for the
'high
end' surely?


Now, try to stop top-posting for fuxache - I need to trace the words I'm
replying to with my fingertip (or I lose the jist). Top-posting makes this
too hard to do, so I normally don't bother......

;-)


Ok - bottom posting from now on (oooer!)

Will have a wander into Vickers one lunchtime time this week - just to see.

"Westy" wrote


unfortunately the Hi Fi shops I use (Vickers & The Sound Organisation
in
York) only stock HiFi and a bit of high end AV stuff.


Well ask them - they must be ideally placed to make the comparison. CDPS
are
'hifi', DVDRs are AV and £1,000 DVDRs have gotta be getting on for the
'high
end' surely?


Now, try to stop top-posting for fuxache - I need to trace the words I'm
replying to with my fingertip (or I lose the jist). Top-posting makes
this
too hard to do, so I normally don't bother......

;-)


Ok - bottom posting from now on (oooer!)


That's the ticket! I'll let you into a secret - if I'm working down a
thread and hit a top-posted message I've usually forgotten what the thread's
about anyway and I'm fuct if I'm going to dip up and down like a looney to
see what the reply is supposed to be answering!!


Will have a wander into Vickers one lunchtime time this week - just to
see.



OK, just tell the sales chappy you have heard some wattock claim a Panasonic
DMR-E50 DVDR sounds as good as any CDP up to a grand at playing CDs and tell
us what he sez.

Tell you summat else for nowt - they're also a million % better at playing
PF's 'The Wall' DVD-Video (for example) than any CDP ever could be......
;-)