Hi,

I was just listening to a CD and noticed it had a "copy controlled" logo on
it, so I thought I would stick it in my PC to see what happened.

I cancelled the "do you want to install the software" dialog, then went into
nero, selected 'save tracks to HD' and I was able to save the tracks to
uncompressed WAV without any warnings or anything.

Have I been incredibly devious here? I wasn't trying to defeat the copy
protection, just watch it in action.

FWIW the CD is called "urban flavas 2" on untouchables records (not to be
confused with the unrelated "urban flavas" series on warner). The PC is
running nero 5.5 express on windows 2000 server sp4 with a pioneer dvr-106d.

Andy

"Andy Fish" wrote in message
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Hi,

I was just listening to a CD and noticed it had a "copy controlled" logo
on
it, so I thought I would stick it in my PC to see what happened.

I cancelled the "do you want to install the software" dialog, then went
into
nero, selected 'save tracks to HD' and I was able to save the tracks to
uncompressed WAV without any warnings or anything.

Have I been incredibly devious here? I wasn't trying to defeat the copy
protection, just watch it in action.

FWIW the CD is called "urban flavas 2" on untouchables records (not to be
confused with the unrelated "urban flavas" series on warner). The PC is
running nero 5.5 express on windows 2000 server sp4 with a pioneer
dvr-106d.

It would appear as usual that so-called "copy protection" DOESN'T. Of
course this most likely won't prevent the RIAA from screaming that "it's the
pirates! The PIRATES!"


--
Steve Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack

"Revd. Norle Enturbulata" wrote in message
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It would appear as usual that so-called "copy protection" DOESN'T.

If however it does, CloneCD does the job.

"Andy Fish" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Have I been incredibly devious here? I wasn't trying to defeat the copy
protection, just watch it in action.


My experience is that the copy protection doesn't work. All it achieves is
making the CD unplayable on many (usually high end) CD players. However, if
you rip the tracks ('cos the protection doen't work) and burn your own CD,
that plays perfectly.

Have a look at http://ukcdr.org/ for more blurb, including a list of
"affected" CDs.

Roy.




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"The Artist" wrote in message
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"Roy" emitted :

Have I been incredibly devious here? I wasn't trying to defeat the copy
protection, just watch it in action.


My experience is that the copy protection doesn't work. All it achieves
is
making the CD unplayable on many (usually high end) CD players. However,
if
you rip the tracks ('cos the protection doen't work) and burn your own
CD,
that plays perfectly.

Likewise. I have a couple of so-called protected discs that spit out
glitches in my CD player, spoiling my enjoyment of the product. I
backed them up in a few minutes and the backups play fine. This is
wrong on so many levels! In what kind of paradoxical world does it
make any sense to employ a copyright protection that necessitate the
rightful owner to hack it? ****ing idiots..

My policy in software development is to use absolutely minimal
protection. 60 seconds work to a cracker. The bottom line is if people
intend to pay for something, they will..



I beleive that the copy protection works by somehow inducing spurious errors
which confuse the error correcting circuitry.

What would be really ironic would be if a copied version actually sounded
better because the disk did not have these errors. I don't know if this is
actually the case though

"The Artist" wrote in message
...
"Roy" emitted :

Have I been incredibly devious here? I wasn't trying to defeat the copy
protection, just watch it in action.


My experience is that the copy protection doesn't work. All it achieves
is
making the CD unplayable on many (usually high end) CD players. However,
if
you rip the tracks ('cos the protection doen't work) and burn your own
CD,
that plays perfectly.

Likewise. I have a couple of so-called protected discs that spit out
glitches in my CD player, spoiling my enjoyment of the product. I
backed them up in a few minutes and the backups play fine. This is
wrong on so many levels! In what kind of paradoxical world does it
make any sense to employ a copyright protection that necessitate the
rightful owner to hack it? ****ing idiots..

My policy in software development is to use absolutely minimal
protection. 60 seconds work to a cracker. The bottom line is if people
intend to pay for something, they will..



--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t


At the end of the day piracy would drop out of sight overnight if the greedy
record companies marketed their products at a more acceptable price. It is
widely known that on a full price CD the shop makes about £3, the artists
gets about £1, and the disc costs about 98p to produce and bring to the
shelf. Most of the rest of the cost is record company profit.

Incidently the £3 or more to the dealer goes back to the early days of CDs
when dealers took a bigger cut because of the need to hold stocks of slow
moving high value items. Today (vinyl) LPs and singles no longer exist and
CDs fly out of the door, so why do they still need to make so much profit?
Given their huge buying power and slim margins, I still doubt the likes of
Asda are selling them as loss leaders at £9.87 when the list price is 13-15
quid!


--

Woody

I can confirm that is the case. Norah Jones Feels like Home will not play on a
top of the range DVD player my cousin has, but after I did a straight copy using
Nero 6 the copy disc plays fine.

Remember on the back of all your vinyl albums from the 70's "Home Taping is
Killing Music"
Then CD copying Was Killing Music
Now Downloading is Killing Music

Crap music at high prices is killing music.


I still doubt the likes of
Asda are selling them as loss leaders at £9.87 when the list price is 13-15
quid!

and even that is expense when you can buy the of the net at £8.99 or less from
the likes of CD-WOW and Play247 and they will deliver it to your door.

Your got to wonder the brains of the folk at the BPI when their way to stop
piracy was to try and make CD-WOW put UP the price of a CD. Now that is plan
stupid.




"Roy" rp wrote in message ...

"Andy Fish" wrote in message
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Hi,

Have I been incredibly devious here? I wasn't trying to defeat the copy
protection, just watch it in action.


My experience is that the copy protection doesn't work. All it achieves is
making the CD unplayable on many (usually high end) CD players. However, if
you rip the tracks ('cos the protection doen't work) and burn your own CD,
that plays perfectly.

Have a look at http://ukcdr.org/ for more blurb, including a list of
"affected" CDs.

Roy.




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"The Artist" wrote in message
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"Roy" emitted :

Have I been incredibly devious here? I wasn't trying to defeat the
copy
protection, just watch it in action.


My experience is that the copy protection doesn't work. All it
achieves
is
making the CD unplayable on many (usually high end) CD players.
However,
if
you rip the tracks ('cos the protection doen't work) and burn your own
CD,
that plays perfectly.

Likewise. I have a couple of so-called protected discs that spit out
glitches in my CD player, spoiling my enjoyment of the product. I
backed them up in a few minutes and the backups play fine. This is
wrong on so many levels! In what kind of paradoxical world does it
make any sense to employ a copyright protection that necessitate the
rightful owner to hack it? ****ing idiots..

My policy in software development is to use absolutely minimal
protection. 60 seconds work to a cracker. The bottom line is if people
intend to pay for something, they will..



--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t


At the end of the day piracy would drop out of sight overnight if the
greedy
record companies marketed their products at a more acceptable price. It
is
widely known that on a full price CD the shop makes about £3, the artists
gets about £1, and the disc costs about 98p to produce and bring to the
shelf. Most of the rest of the cost is record company profit.

Incidently the £3 or more to the dealer goes back to the early days of
CDs
when dealers took a bigger cut because of the need to hold stocks of slow
moving high value items. Today (vinyl) LPs and singles no longer exist
and
CDs fly out of the door, so why do they still need to make so much
profit?
Given their huge buying power and slim margins, I still doubt the likes
of
Asda are selling them as loss leaders at £9.87 when the list price is
13-15
quid!

Woody


Hats off to Naxos then for retailing an incredibly wide range for just
£4.95.

Alan

"Alan Murphy" wrote in message
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"Woody" wrote in message
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"The Artist" wrote in message
...
"Roy" emitted :

Have I been incredibly devious here? I wasn't trying to defeat the
copy
protection, just watch it in action.


My experience is that the copy protection doesn't work. All it
achieves
is
making the CD unplayable on many (usually high end) CD players.
However,
if
you rip the tracks ('cos the protection doen't work) and burn your
own
CD,
that plays perfectly.

Likewise. I have a couple of so-called protected discs that spit out
glitches in my CD player, spoiling my enjoyment of the product. I
backed them up in a few minutes and the backups play fine. This is
wrong on so many levels! In what kind of paradoxical world does it
make any sense to employ a copyright protection that necessitate the
rightful owner to hack it? ****ing idiots..

My policy in software development is to use absolutely minimal
protection. 60 seconds work to a cracker. The bottom line is if people
intend to pay for something, they will..



--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t


At the end of the day piracy would drop out of sight overnight if the
greedy
record companies marketed their products at a more acceptable price. It
is
widely known that on a full price CD the shop makes about £3, the
artists
gets about £1, and the disc costs about 98p to produce and bring to the
shelf. Most of the rest of the cost is record company profit.

Incidently the £3 or more to the dealer goes back to the early days of
CDs
when dealers took a bigger cut because of the need to hold stocks of
slow
moving high value items. Today (vinyl) LPs and singles no longer exist
and
CDs fly out of the door, so why do they still need to make so much
profit?
Given their huge buying power and slim margins, I still doubt the likes
of
Asda are selling them as loss leaders at £9.87 when the list price is
13-15
quid!

Woody


Hats off to Naxos then for retailing an incredibly wide range for just
£4.95.

Alan





.....but even they used to be £3.99 or less!


--

Woody

"Andy Fish" wrote in message
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What would be really ironic would be if a copied version actually sounded
better because the disk did not have these errors. I don't know if this is
actually the case though

Well I suppose they DO sound better, i.e they play whereas the originals
don't. What galls me is that there is a de facto standard for CDs (the red
book) which manufacturer's of players presumably adhere to and along come
copy protected CDs which are not red book standard. Note that EMI etc. who
use these copy protection techinques don't give any clue that the disc may
not play on some "red book" players. They have however, been forced by
Sony/Philips to remove the "compact disc digital audio" logo. So if that
familiar logo is not there, think twice about buying it.

Roy.




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