I've recently picked up a used Marantz CD6000 KI Signature and I find
that it won't always play CD-Rs I've burned myself. It will
occasionally not read past the TOC on a disc, or if it does, will not
skip from one track to the next. Instead it throws up an error
message and does nothing. But if left alone it will play straight
through a disc without a problem.

I've been using white-top Intenso/Medianca brand discs for a while and
these are the ones which don't seem to work. I've got some older
Memorex-made Jungle.com discs which work perfectly and skip from track
to track with no problem. All types of disc play perfectly in my old
CD player, a Philips 850MkII, and in my kids' CD players.

As an experiment I've burned discs from several manufacturers at high
and low speeds, using both Nero 6 and Alcohol 120%. I've burned
compilations from downloaded mp3s and copied from a retail CD as the
source. Nothing has made any difference. The Marantz just doesn't
like some of these CD-Rs.

A search in Google groups has turned up a couple of references to this
problem, but no suggestions for a reliable way round it. So my
question is: do other Marantz owners have this problem with their CD
players? Or if your Marantz player plays CD-Rs without any problems,
what make are they and where do you buy them?

BTW I started to use white-top discs because all the Jungle.com discs
looked exactly the same with their green and white top and I could
never find the album I was after. Used to drive me mad. So ideally
I'm after a plain CD-R I can write on.

baseball bat

"baseball bat" wrote in message
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I've recently picked up a used Marantz CD6000 KI Signature and I find
that it won't always play CD-Rs I've burned myself. It will
occasionally not read past the TOC on a disc, or if it does, will not
skip from one track to the next. Instead it throws up an error
message and does nothing. But if left alone it will play straight
through a disc without a problem.

I've been using white-top Intenso/Medianca brand discs for a while and
these are the ones which don't seem to work. I've got some older
Memorex-made Jungle.com discs which work perfectly and skip from track
to track with no problem. All types of disc play perfectly in my old
CD player, a Philips 850MkII, and in my kids' CD players.

As an experiment I've burned discs from several manufacturers at high
and low speeds, using both Nero 6 and Alcohol 120%. I've burned
compilations from downloaded mp3s and copied from a retail CD as the
source. Nothing has made any difference. The Marantz just doesn't
like some of these CD-Rs.

A search in Google groups has turned up a couple of references to this
problem, but no suggestions for a reliable way round it. So my
question is: do other Marantz owners have this problem with their CD
players? Or if your Marantz player plays CD-Rs without any problems,
what make are they and where do you buy them?

BTW I started to use white-top discs because all the Jungle.com discs
looked exactly the same with their green and white top and I could
never find the album I was after. Used to drive me mad. So ideally
I'm after a plain CD-R I can write on.

baseball bat

Hi - I've found that it'll read anything *without* cd text - switch the
option off in the burning software. How much do the 6000KIs go for BTW?

Might be worth a try.

Rob

On Sun, 9 May 2004 00:21:35 +0100, "RJH"
wrote:


"baseball bat" wrote in message
.. .
I've recently picked up a used Marantz CD6000 KI Signature and I find
that it won't always play CD-Rs I've burned myself.

baseball bat

Hi - I've found that it'll read anything *without* cd text - switch the
option off in the burning software. How much do the 6000KIs go for BTW?

Might be worth a try.

Rob

Thanks, Rob. I'll try that and report back. I bought the 6000KI on
eBay for £192, which was on the low side. I've seen them go for up to
£270 or so for the gold fronted model.

bb

RJH wrote:
"baseball bat" wrote in message
...
I've recently picked up a used Marantz CD6000 KI Signature and I find
that it won't always play CD-Rs I've burned myself. It will
occasionally not read past the TOC on a disc, or if it does, will not
skip from one track to the next. Instead it throws up an error
message and does nothing. But if left alone it will play straight
through a disc without a problem.

BTW I started to use white-top discs because all the Jungle.com discs
looked exactly the same with their green and white top and I could
never find the album I was after. Used to drive me mad. So ideally
I'm after a plain CD-R I can write on.

baseball bat

Hi - I've found that it'll read anything *without* cd text - switch
the option off in the burning software. How much do the 6000KIs go
for BTW?


I've found that DAO recording seems to provide a more widely readable CD
than TAO. When I used to use TAO I occasionally found that players
couldn't read beyond the TOC. With DAO, this problem seemed to disappear


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"baseball bat" wrote in message
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I've recently picked up a used Marantz CD6000 KI Signature and I find
that it won't always play CD-Rs I've burned myself. It will
occasionally not read past the TOC on a disc, or if it does, will not
skip from one track to the next. Instead it throws up an error
message and does nothing. But if left alone it will play straight
through a disc without a problem.

I've been using white-top Intenso/Medianca brand discs for a while and
these are the ones which don't seem to work. I've got some older
Memorex-made Jungle.com discs which work perfectly and skip from track
to track with no problem. All types of disc play perfectly in my old
CD player, a Philips 850MkII, and in my kids' CD players.

As an experiment I've burned discs from several manufacturers at high
and low speeds, using both Nero 6 and Alcohol 120%. I've burned
compilations from downloaded mp3s and copied from a retail CD as the
source. Nothing has made any difference. The Marantz just doesn't
like some of these CD-Rs.

A search in Google groups has turned up a couple of references to this
problem, but no suggestions for a reliable way round it. So my
question is: do other Marantz owners have this problem with their CD
players? Or if your Marantz player plays CD-Rs without any problems,
what make are they and where do you buy them?

BTW I started to use white-top discs because all the Jungle.com discs
looked exactly the same with their green and white top and I could
never find the album I was after. Used to drive me mad. So ideally
I'm after a plain CD-R I can write on.

baseball bat

Curiously you note that a Philips will play anything but the Marantz will
not - strange given that they are likely the same mechanism!

Experience shows earlier JVC and most Hitachi players turn their noses up at
written discs.

However, by experimentation I have discovered that the discs that cause ths
problems are those that look silver(ish) when new and go blue when written.
Almost all players - and I include my recently updated Philips CD624 - seem
to have some difficulty here. Going for a silver disc that either stays
silver or goes a slightly yellowish or light greenish colour cures all. I
buy DataSafe brand from computer fairs at £4 for 25 and have never had any
problems. Surprisingly many of the stick discs from Expensive World also
work.

For the sake of trying I bought just one black CD as used, I think, for
PS2 - and it worked perfectly!


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Woody

"baseball bat" wrote in message
.. .
I've recently picked up a used Marantz CD6000 KI Signature and I find
that it won't always play CD-Rs I've burned myself. It will
occasionally not read past the TOC on a disc, or if it does, will not
skip from one track to the next. Instead it throws up an error
message and does nothing. But if left alone it will play straight
through a disc without a problem.


Given that the CD6000 is capable of reading the much lower
reflectivity CDRWs by design rather than accident, I'm surprised there
is a problem with CDRs

Having said this (and it may not be good news), I had a problem with
my CD6000 OSE skipping, mainly on CDRs, but occasionally on pressed
discs.

Fortunately it was under warranty at the time. I seem to recall it
needed a new laser and also an official "mod" - an extra capacitor
added in, or possibly a change of capacitor value; can't remember
which

If you know what you are doing, it might be worth cleaning the lens on
the laser

Gelf

On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:28:02 +0100, Gelf wrote:


Given that the CD6000 is capable of reading the much lower
reflectivity CDRWs by design rather than accident, I'm surprised there
is a problem with CDRs
The same thought had occured to me.

Having said this (and it may not be good news), I had a problem with
my CD6000 OSE skipping, mainly on CDRs, but occasionally on pressed
discs.

Fortunately it was under warranty at the time. I seem to recall it
needed a new laser and also an official "mod" - an extra capacitor
added in, or possibly a change of capacitor value; can't remember
which
I wonder if it's a glitch suffered by older models which has been
cured in later versions. I have no idea of the age of this one, but I
would have thought the design wuld have settled down by the time they
decided to do a KI version.

If you know what you are doing, it might be worth cleaning the lens on
the laser
I can't really say I do know what I'm doing, but that sounds like a
good idea. I quite like poking around inside machines, I've got
cotton buds, I've got isopropanol - what could possibly go wrong?

baseball bat

baseball bat wrote:

I've been using white-top Intenso/Medianca brand discs for a while and
these are the ones which don't seem to work. I've got some older
Memorex-made Jungle.com discs which work perfectly and skip from track
to track with no problem. All types of disc play perfectly in my old
CD player, a Philips 850MkII, and in my kids' CD players.

Neither of these makes of disc are particularly high quality. I'd
suggest trying Taiyo Yuden (available under the Plextor brand at ebuyer)
or the more expensive Verbatim discs.

Cheers.

James.

James Perrett wrote:
baseball bat wrote:

I've been using white-top Intenso/Medianca brand discs for a while
and these are the ones which don't seem to work. I've got some older
Memorex-made Jungle.com discs which work perfectly and skip from
track to track with no problem. All types of disc play perfectly in
my old CD player, a Philips 850MkII, and in my kids' CD players.

Neither of these makes of disc are particularly high quality. I'd
suggest trying Taiyo Yuden (available under the Plextor brand at
ebuyer) or the more expensive Verbatim discs.

FWIW, I've been using 'no brand' whitetop blanks from
http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk/ for years without any problems. My records
show we've purchased and used almost 1500 blanks in that time

On Mon, 10 May 2004 16:35:31 +0100, "Stimpy"
wrote:

James Perrett wrote:
baseball bat wrote:

I've been using white-top Intenso/Medianca brand discs for a while
and these are the ones which don't seem to work. I've got some older
Memorex-made Jungle.com discs which work perfectly and skip from
track to track with no problem. All types of disc play perfectly in
my old CD player, a Philips 850MkII, and in my kids' CD players.

Neither of these makes of disc are particularly high quality. I'd
suggest trying Taiyo Yuden (available under the Plextor brand at
ebuyer) or the more expensive Verbatim discs.

FWIW, I've been using 'no brand' whitetop blanks from
http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk/ for years without any problems. My records
show we've purchased and used almost 1500 blanks in that time



Thanks everybody for the input. I tried RJH's suggestion of switching
off CD Text in Nero 6 (using a Medianca white-top) but got the same
dodgy result - reads the TOC but won't skip tracks.

Stimpy, if DAO means disc at once, that's how I've always burned them
as far as I know. I have a hazy memory of reading through the Nero
manual and seeing that recommended. The disc I burned as a test in
Alcohol 120% was DAO as well.

Woody, the Medianca/Intenso are just like the ones you recommend.
They are mainly silver and don't really change colour once they've
been burned. In fact in certain lights you have to look hard to
identify them as used.

BUT, funnily enough, while I was trying out some discs I had been
given I found that an old silver/silver disc which went slightly green
worked properly, as did a Benq 48x gold-top CD-R. Now, my son had a
few of the self same Benq gold-top discs, so I nabbed a couple
expecting them to record and play like the one I already had. But
they didn't. Same problem again, only worse in the case of one of two
I tried, which won't even read the TOC. They'll still play in the
Philips, though. Very odd, since discs burned on another PC will play
in the Marantz, but exactly the same disc burned on my PC won't.

Which made me think maybe the burning software was an issue. The old
Jungle.com discs were burned when I was using Nero 5.5, and the new
ones (Intenso/Benq) were burned with Nero 6. So I reverted to Nero
5.5 and it made no difference at all.

Anyway, what with all that experimentation I've run out of CD-Rs to
play with. I'll certainly try out the Taiyo Yuden discs (thanks for
the suggestion, James) after I've bought a sample pack of various
types from the store Stimpy gave the link to. They certainly look
like they know their stuff there, and the sample pack is exactly what
I need.

Thanks again for the suggestions and recommendations (it's obviously
an audiophile group because nobody suggested thorwing out the CD
player). I'll post again when I've made some progress.

baseball bat