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"levyte357" wrote in message
...
I recently acquired 4 18" scoop bins at an absurdly cheap price
due to reclaim of storage space.

Unfortunately, they are made of High Density chipboard,
and covered with aged vinly covering, but have good dimensions and are
VERY,
VERY solid.

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them, said
it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with fibreglass
resin.

I am in E London.

Q1. Where can I get fibreglass spray in London?
Q2. Is it better to paint boxes first, then spray/paint on resin?
Q3. Would it be cheaper for a cabinet maker to do it ?

Thanx in advance.

Its a little more than just a spray AFAIK, i used to work for a car audio
shop making enclosers, kick pods, panels, bezels, etc.. out of fiberglass
and there was alot of preparation and mixing involved and if not done right
it can be a mess, its also very hazzardess your health and is deadly if the
right precautions arent taken.

Now, dont get discouraged, if you feel you can do it, then i would get
intouch with a fiberglass supply company, i dont know of any in the UK and
the one where i got my stuff from says they wont ship out of the US.

Like i said its not just a simple spray theres a bit more to it than that,
you're going to need resin, fiberglass (chopmatt or weave), a brush and some
acetone, not to mention some gloves and a respirator mask.

If this seems like a bit much for your liking, you may want to send them out
to have it done.

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

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I recently acquired 4 18" scoop bins at an absurdly cheap price
due to reclaim of storage space.

Unfortunately, they are made of High Density chipboard,
and covered with aged vinly covering, but have good dimensions and are VERY,
VERY solid.

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them, said it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with fibreglass
resin.

I am in E London.

Q1. Where can I get fibreglass spray in London?
Q2. Is it better to paint boxes first, then spray/paint on resin?
Q3. Would it be cheaper for a cabinet maker to do it ?

Thanx in advance.

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Yeah that's one idea.. OR, you could get hold of some Pro Industry paint
called "Rock Hard". Just brush it on and you will have a very strong but
hi qual finish. Not cheap but worth every $$.


--
Dave Parker
Pro Beat Entertainment
www.probeatentertainment.com
"levyte357" wrote in message
...
I recently acquired 4 18" scoop bins at an absurdly cheap price
due to reclaim of storage space.

Unfortunately, they are made of High Density chipboard,
and covered with aged vinly covering, but have good dimensions and are
VERY,
VERY solid.

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them, said
it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with fibreglass
resin.

I am in E London.

Q1. Where can I get fibreglass spray in London?
Q2. Is it better to paint boxes first, then spray/paint on resin?
Q3. Would it be cheaper for a cabinet maker to do it ?

Thanx in advance.

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DJ TecThreat beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM wrote:
"levyte357" wrote in message

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them, said
it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with fibreglass
resin.

Its a little more than just a spray AFAIK, i used to work for a car audio
shop making enclosers, kick pods, panels, bezels, etc.. out of fiberglass
and there was alot of preparation and mixing involved and if not done right
it can be a mess, its also very hazzardess your health and is deadly if the
right precautions arent taken.

Now, dont get discouraged, if you feel you can do it, then i would get
intouch with a fiberglass supply company, i dont know of any in the UK and
the one where i got my stuff from says they wont ship out of the US.

Take it to a surfboard shop and have them do the work. They do it all day
long, and they don't charge a lot.

My question, though, is whether anyone has tried the spray-on truck bed
liner material. Around here, lots of pickup trucks are driving around with
this spray-on polymer stuff in the bed, and there are places all over the
place that are applying it. It looks like just the thing to stiffen an A-7.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scoop Bins
 

"levyte357" wrote in message
...
I recently acquired 4 18" scoop bins at an absurdly cheap price
due to reclaim of storage space.

Unfortunately, they are made of High Density chipboard,
and covered with aged vinly covering, but have good dimensions and are
VERY,
VERY solid.

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them, said
it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with fibreglass
resin.

I am in E London.

Q1. Where can I get fibreglass spray in London?
Q2. Is it better to paint boxes first, then spray/paint on resin?
Q3. Would it be cheaper for a cabinet maker to do it ?

Thanx in advance.

There are new wonders every day, but I've never heard of fiberglass spray.

Traditionally, "fiberglass" consists of glass fiber, either in the form of a
woven mat, or a thick muddy mixture of glass and resin.
The resin has two components, much like epoxy. There is a hardener.
The resin contains methyl-ethlyl-ketone, which means it smells very strong
and very bad. I would not do this in a very densely populated city area; you
can get away with it in the suburbs.

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
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DJ TecThreat beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM wrote:
"levyte357" wrote in message

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them,
said
it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with fibreglass
resin.

Its a little more than just a spray AFAIK, i used to work for a car audio
shop making enclosers, kick pods, panels, bezels, etc.. out of fiberglass
and there was alot of preparation and mixing involved and if not done
right
it can be a mess, its also very hazzardess your health and is deadly if
the
right precautions arent taken.

Now, dont get discouraged, if you feel you can do it, then i would get
intouch with a fiberglass supply company, i dont know of any in the UK
and
the one where i got my stuff from says they wont ship out of the US.

Take it to a surfboard shop and have them do the work. They do it all day
long, and they don't charge a lot.

My question, though, is whether anyone has tried the spray-on truck bed
liner material. Around here, lots of pickup trucks are driving around
with
this spray-on polymer stuff in the bed, and there are places all over the
place that are applying it. It looks like just the thing to stiffen an
A-7.

Bedliner is good for alot of things, i've actually sprayed an entire vehicle
(offroad truck) and as a theme i sprayed the door panels, kick pods, rear
sub encloser, stereo bezel and panel, crossover/eq panel/rack and amp rack.
Look incredibly cool and had a rough feel to it.

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

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"levyte357" wrote in message
...

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
DJ TecThreat beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM wrote:
"levyte357" wrote in message

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them,
said
it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with
fibreglass
resin.

Its a little more than just a spray AFAIK, i used to work for a car
audio
shop making enclosers, kick pods, panels, bezels, etc.. out of
fiberglass
and there was alot of preparation and mixing involved and if not done
right
it can be a mess, its also very hazzardess your health and is deadly if
the
right precautions arent taken.

Now, dont get discouraged, if you feel you can do it, then i would get
intouch with a fiberglass supply company, i dont know of any in the UK
and
the one where i got my stuff from says they wont ship out of the US.

Take it to a surfboard shop and have them do the work. They do it all
day
long, and they don't charge a lot.

I made some enquiries about the fibre glass spraying and it seems to be
costly.

Someone on a net forum just suggested painting with hammerite. Would that
waterproof and strengthen, or just waterproof..?

Are the boxes weak? trying to spray something on them to strengthen isnt
going to help in the long run.

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
DJ TecThreat beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM wrote:
"levyte357" wrote in message

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them,
said
it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with fibreglass
resin.

Its a little more than just a spray AFAIK, i used to work for a car audio
shop making enclosers, kick pods, panels, bezels, etc.. out of fiberglass
and there was alot of preparation and mixing involved and if not done
right
it can be a mess, its also very hazzardess your health and is deadly if
the
right precautions arent taken.

Now, dont get discouraged, if you feel you can do it, then i would get
intouch with a fiberglass supply company, i dont know of any in the UK
and
the one where i got my stuff from says they wont ship out of the US.

Take it to a surfboard shop and have them do the work. They do it all day
long, and they don't charge a lot.

I made some enquiries about the fibre glass spraying and it seems to be
costly.

Someone on a net forum just suggested painting with hammerite. Would that
waterproof and strengthen, or just waterproof..?

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message

DJ TecThreat beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM wrote:
"levyte357" wrote in message

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them,
said it would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them
with fibreglass resin.

Its a little more than just a spray AFAIK, i used to work for a car
audio shop making enclosers, kick pods, panels, bezels, etc.. out of
fiberglass and there was alot of preparation and mixing involved and
if not done right it can be a mess, its also very hazzardess your
health and is deadly if the right precautions arent taken.

Now, dont get discouraged, if you feel you can do it, then i would
get intouch with a fiberglass supply company, i dont know of any in
the UK and the one where i got my stuff from says they wont ship out
of the US.

Take it to a surfboard shop and have them do the work. They do it
all day long, and they don't charge a lot.

My question, though, is whether anyone has tried the spray-on truck
bed liner material. Around here, lots of pickup trucks are driving
around with this spray-on polymer stuff in the bed, and there are
places all over the place that are applying it. It looks like just
the thing to stiffen an A-7.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=df...g .google.com

"I built some monitor wedges a while back with a buddy. He took them
into the local Line-X place. They sprayed them for $60 a box, not
cheap, but worth it. He said sometimes they only charge $40/box,
depends whos working. Another sound company I know had a dozen large
monitors sprayed for $40 each. They have to spray one side then let
it dry and spray the other side, so there is an overlap seam. Some
boxes come out better than others. You might want to see if they can
do one box first to get an idea of how good they are. Even the worst
ones I've seen aren't bad, but it is a bit frustrating when you pay
$60 to get the box finished and its not perfect."

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Scott Dorsey wrote:

snip

My question, though, is whether anyone has tried the spray-on truck bed
liner material. Around here, lots of pickup trucks are driving around with
this spray-on polymer stuff in the bed, and there are places all over the
place that are applying it. It looks like just the thing to stiffen an A-7.

I've heard you mention this truck bed stuff before Scott but I have no idea what
it is. Clearly in the UK it's called something else. The OP's in the UK too btw.

Do you have a link to a supplier ? Would be interesting to see the description
and try and make sense of it.

He's mentioned Hammerite (
http://www.hammerite.com/webapp/wcs/.../Home_Page.jsp ) which
is basically an industrial heavy duty paint with a metallic sheen. It doesn't
have any texture and shiny isn't really what you want !


Graham

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IMO, the best thing to do would be to rebuild the cabinets in some A/D
plywood. Particleboard is very heavy to move after a nights gig,
especially if you don't have a ton of roadies. The plywood would also
be much stronger that the particleboard.

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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message

Scott Dorsey wrote:

snip

My question, though, is whether anyone has tried the spray-on truck
bed liner material. Around here, lots of pickup trucks are driving
around with this spray-on polymer stuff in the bed, and there are
places all over the place that are applying it. It looks like just
the thing to stiffen an A-7.

I've heard you mention this truck bed stuff before Scott but I have
no idea what it is. Clearly in the UK it's called something else. The
OP's in the UK too btw.

Do you have a link to a supplier ? Would be interesting to see the
description and try and make sense of it.


http://www.rhinoliningseurope.com/li...ct/product.htm

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"Sanders" wrote in message
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IMO, the best thing to do would be to rebuild the cabinets in some A/D
plywood. Particleboard is very heavy to move after a nights gig,
especially if you don't have a ton of roadies. The plywood would also
be much stronger that the particleboard.

You dont build boxes out of plywood or particleboard, for a proper build,
you build them out of MDF, preferably 3/4" or 1"

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

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"DJ TecThreat" beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM wrote in message


"Sanders" wrote in message
...

IMO, the best thing to do would be to rebuild the cabinets in some
A/D plywood. Particleboard is very heavy to move after a nights gig,
especially if you don't have a ton of roadies. The plywood would
also be much stronger that the particleboard.

You dont build boxes out of plywood or particleboard, for a proper
build, you build them out of MDF, preferably 3/4" or 1"

Obviously, these guys know nothing at all about building loudspeakers:

http://www.loudspeakers.net/files/specs/new/tfr64a.pdf

"Enclosu 13-ply 18 mm Baltic Birch"

DJ, since you know so much more about about building SR loudspeakers than
Community does, why not try to share your wisdom with them, and get them all
straightened out?

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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message

Scott Dorsey wrote:

snip

My question, though, is whether anyone has tried the spray-on truck
bed liner material. Around here, lots of pickup trucks are driving
around with this spray-on polymer stuff in the bed, and there are
places all over the place that are applying it. It looks like just
the thing to stiffen an A-7.

I've heard you mention this truck bed stuff before Scott but I have
no idea what it is. Clearly in the UK it's called something else. The
OP's in the UK too btw.

Do you have a link to a supplier ? Would be interesting to see the
description and try and make sense of it.

http://www.rhinoliningseurope.com/li...ct/product.htm

Thanks, Arny.

They have just the one distributor in the mainland UK - kind of explains
why I never heard of it I guess.

Looks interesting.


Graham

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
DJ TecThreat beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM wrote:
"levyte357" wrote in message

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them,
said
it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with
fibreglass
resin.

Its a little more than just a spray AFAIK, i used to work for a car
audio
shop making enclosers, kick pods, panels, bezels, etc.. out of
fiberglass
and there was alot of preparation and mixing involved and if not done
right
it can be a mess, its also very hazzardess your health and is deadly if
the
right precautions arent taken.

Now, dont get discouraged, if you feel you can do it, then i would get
intouch with a fiberglass supply company, i dont know of any in the UK
and
the one where i got my stuff from says they wont ship out of the US.

Take it to a surfboard shop and have them do the work. They do it all
day
long, and they don't charge a lot.

Do they have sufboard shops in East London?
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

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You dont build boxes out of plywood or particleboard, for a proper
build, you build them out of MDF, preferably 3/4" or 1"

For home systems, the 1" MDF or HDF is best, but it is way to heavy to
move all the time. For a permenant install, the MDF would be fine. For
portability and strength, plywood is the only way to go.

As to particleboard, what do you think MDF is?


Obviously, these guys know nothing at all about building loudspeakers:

http://www.loudspeakers.net/files/specs/new/tfr64a.pdf

"Enclosu 13-ply 18 mm Baltic Birch"

DJ, since you know so much more about about building SR loudspeakers than
Community does, why not try to share your wisdom with them, and get them all
straightened out?

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In article ,
Sanders wrote:

You dont build boxes out of plywood or particleboard, for a proper
build, you build them out of MDF, preferably 3/4" or 1"

For home systems, the 1" MDF or HDF is best, but it is way to heavy to
move all the time. For a permenant install, the MDF would be fine. For
portability and strength, plywood is the only way to go.

As to particleboard, what do you think MDF is?

as for instals I really doubt you can get a" overhead use " sign off
for mfd without extreme internal steel structure
Never hang mfd boxes unless your using factory provided hang points
and hardware
George

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Are you talking A-7 as in Speaker Cabs the old Altec Lansing type? Wow I
still have mine from 1979
Voice of Theater most awesome cabs ever made.

djfixx
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
DJ TecThreat beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM wrote:
"levyte357" wrote in message

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them, said
it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with fibreglass
resin.

Its a little more than just a spray AFAIK, i used to work for a car audio
shop making enclosers, kick pods, panels, bezels, etc.. out of fiberglass
and there was alot of preparation and mixing involved and if not done
right
it can be a mess, its also very hazzardess your health and is deadly if
the
right precautions arent taken.

Now, dont get discouraged, if you feel you can do it, then i would get
intouch with a fiberglass supply company, i dont know of any in the UK and
the one where i got my stuff from says they wont ship out of the US.

Take it to a surfboard shop and have them do the work. They do it all day
long, and they don't charge a lot.

My question, though, is whether anyone has tried the spray-on truck bed
liner material. Around here, lots of pickup trucks are driving around
with
this spray-on polymer stuff in the bed, and there are places all over the
place that are applying it. It looks like just the thing to stiffen an
A-7.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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Hmmm lets think here. Who has built the best speakers over the years as
close to what you are trying to accomplish hmm?
Now, what did they use for an encloser...lets see Bose 301,
901...Infinity...Klipsch...My Altec Lansing Voice of Theater?
Now what are they made of.....they are the Best right.....they still sell
way above anything else on the market 25 years old right?
Sure they do ...just take a look see....you know it now and so it's obvious,
unless well you don't know **** about speakers or enclosures.....see that
wasn't hard was it?
MDF, HDF, MFD, WTF?
So now that thats settled...let move on shall we.....ok I have 8 monkeys to
screw this one board together and...........Oh sorry anyway

So we know we pack speakers correctly using padding right.........what kind
folks?...I can't hear you? Hmm kickass ones use sand........**** did he just
say sand? OMG, well we can just use nice foam or insulation...say it with me
I.N.S.U.L.A.T.I.O.N. now lets slap in some crossovers 2Way, 3Way..pop in our
pole sockets........

Crap I'm waisting my time just use Plexiglass some acetate and lights and
you're all done.

djfixx

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

"levyte357" wrote in message
...
I recently acquired 4 18" scoop bins at an absurdly cheap price
due to reclaim of storage space.

Unfortunately, they are made of High Density chipboard,
and covered with aged vinly covering, but have good dimensions and are
VERY,
VERY solid.

My "Sound Guy" I took with me to check them out before buying them, said
it
would be worthwhile to strip the vinyl, and spray them with fibreglass
resin.

I am in E London.

Q1. Where can I get fibreglass spray in London?
Q2. Is it better to paint boxes first, then spray/paint on resin?
Q3. Would it be cheaper for a cabinet maker to do it ?

Thanx in advance.

There are new wonders every day, but I've never heard of fiberglass spray.

Traditionally, "fiberglass" consists of glass fiber, either in the form of
a
woven mat, or a thick muddy mixture of glass and resin.
The resin has two components, much like epoxy. There is a hardener.
The resin contains methyl-ethlyl-ketone, which means it smells very strong
and very bad. I would not do this in a very densely populated city area;
you
can get away with it in the suburbs.

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"dj" wrote in message
...
Hmmm lets think here. Who has built the best speakers over the years as
close to what you are trying to accomplish hmm?
Now, what did they use for an encloser...lets see Bose 301,
901...Infinity...Klipsch...My Altec Lansing Voice of Theater?
Now what are they made of.....they are the Best right.....they still sell
way above anything else on the market 25 years old right?
Sure they do ...just take a look see....you know it now and so it's
obvious,
unless well you don't know **** about speakers or enclosures.....see that
wasn't hard was it?
MDF, HDF, MFD, WTF?
So now that thats settled...let move on shall we.....ok I have 8 monkeys
to
screw this one board together and...........Oh sorry anyway

So we know we pack speakers correctly using padding right.........what
kind
folks?...I can't hear you? Hmm kickass ones use sand........**** did he
just
say sand? OMG, well we can just use nice foam or insulation...say it with
me
I.N.S.U.L.A.T.I.O.N. now lets slap in some crossovers 2Way, 3Way..pop in
our
pole sockets........

Crap I'm waisting my time just use Plexiglass some acetate and lights and
you're all done.

djfixx

Bose defintly does not make the best speakers thats for sure. If we're
talking PA here, you need to be looking at Turbosound, EV, EAW, Meyer sound,
not bose.

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

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In article ,
"dj" wrote:

Hmmm lets think here. Who has built the best speakers over the years as
close to what you are trying to accomplish hmm?
Now, what did they use for an encloser...lets see Bose 301,
901...Infinity...Klipsch...My Altec Lansing Voice of Theater?
Now what are they made of.....they are the Best right.....they still sell
way above anything else on the market 25 years old right?
Sure they do ...just take a look see....you know it now and so it's obvious,
unless well you don't know **** about speakers or enclosures.....see that
wasn't hard was it?
MDF, HDF, MFD, WTF?
So now that thats settled...let move on shall we.....ok I have 8 monkeys to
screw this one board together and...........Oh sorry anyway

So we know we pack speakers correctly using padding right.........what kind
folks?...I can't hear you? Hmm kickass ones use sand........**** did he just
say sand? OMG, well we can just use nice foam or insulation...say it with me
I.N.S.U.L.A.T.I.O.N. now lets slap in some crossovers 2Way, 3Way..pop in our
pole sockets........

Crap I'm waisting my time just use Plexiglass some acetate and lights and
you're all done.

djfixx

what exactly is your point
Mdf particle board what ever you want to call it is useless for a pro
speaker
it is way to fragile
sure you can make speakers really cheap and sell them for lots of money
to home hi-fi rubes if you use mdf
but a mdf speaker would not last the truck ride to its first gig in a
pro application
and you definatly can not fly a mdf box so that means at best it is a
piece of DJ **** oh wait you are a DJ so this is why you think this way
sorry
wonder why Meyer /turbosound/eaw don't all take your lead and build mdf
boxes?
ever see a mdf box that fell 12 feet to a concrete deck? we call that
trash
and beacuse it is ****ty material it sucks
George

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Sanders wrote:

You dont build boxes out of plywood or particleboard, for a proper
build, you build them out of MDF, preferably 3/4" or 1"

For home systems, the 1" MDF or HDF is best, but it is way to heavy to
move all the time. For a permenant install, the MDF would be fine. For
portability and strength, plywood is the only way to go.

As to particleboard, what do you think MDF is?

Sawdust and glue.


For a really lightweight cab with cost not an issue, has anyone used Aerolam for
an enclosure ?


Graham

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I made some enquiries about the fibre glass spraying and it seems to be
costly.

Someone on a net forum just suggested painting with hammerite. Would
that
waterproof and strengthen, or just waterproof..?

Are the boxes weak? trying to spray something on them to strengthen isnt
going to help in the long run.

The Boxes have obviously lasted quite a few years and are still very solid.
They won't be used outside, but may get exposed to rain/weather whilst being
transported to/from events (wedding receptions/hired halls/dinner&dance).

So was thinking of waterproofing and either covering with carpet or
hammerite to preserve them whilst they return to me a tidy income.

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They won't be used outside, but may get exposed to rain/weather whilst

being

transported to/from events (wedding receptions/hired halls/dinner&dance).

So was thinking of waterproofing and either covering with carpet or
hammerite to preserve them whilst they return to me a tidy income.

Make sure you have some kind of dolly to move them and some help. You
don't want to drop the cabinets because they will crumble where they hit
the floor. As for waterproofing, a good marine paint should work just
as well as all these other options and be much cheaper. Make sure to
make a cover for the drivers that is weather resistant for moving.

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How about calling it the way large corporations work and not just
American. I don't agree with polluting of the planet by any country, no
matter how big their pockerbook is and I am an American.

I am sure the labor costs are another factor of this.

IIRC, Fender now paints all their guitars down in Mexico because of
environmental regs in Cali...which is so American - "hey let's go
pollute someone else's country".

Analogeezer

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"levyte357" wrote in message
...

I made some enquiries about the fibre glass spraying and it seems to
be
costly.

Someone on a net forum just suggested painting with hammerite. Would
that
waterproof and strengthen, or just waterproof..?

Are the boxes weak? trying to spray something on them to strengthen
isnt
going to help in the long run.

The Boxes have obviously lasted quite a few years and are still very
solid.
They won't be used outside, but may get exposed to rain/weather whilst
being
transported to/from events (wedding receptions/hired halls/dinner&dance).

So was thinking of waterproofing and either covering with carpet or
hammerite to preserve them whilst they return to me a tidy income.


Have been told today about a Product from a company in Uxbridge UK, called
"Trimite". Appararently a Primer/Single Coat application used precisely for
PA/Band enclosures.....

Anyone know of/used this before ?

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dj wrote:
Are you talking A-7 as in Speaker Cabs the old Altec Lansing type? Wow I
still have mine from 1979
Voice of Theater most awesome cabs ever made.

Yes, but they are have all kinds of wacky resonances. You tap on the cabinet
with your hand and you can hear all sorts of stuff going on. That's why they
need to be stiffened. Problem is that most of the reinforcement also involves
adding substantial weight to the boxes. That's why the spray-on stuff looks
like it might be interesting (although still some additional supporting members
in the box would be a good idea).
--scott

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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Sanders wrote:

You dont build boxes out of plywood or particleboard, for a proper
build, you build them out of MDF, preferably 3/4" or 1"

For home systems, the 1" MDF or HDF is best, but it is way to heavy to
move all the time. For a permenant install, the MDF would be fine. For
portability and strength, plywood is the only way to go.

As to particleboard, what do you think MDF is?

Sawdust and glue.


For a really lightweight cab with cost not an issue, has anyone used
Aerolam for
an enclosure ?


Graham


I've built hundreds of subwoofers, most of the twin 18" peavey lowrider
subwoofer boxes, and have not once trusted the boxes to MDF. MDF is used
for low sensitivity car audio subwoofers, and should stay there, its far too
fragile and has no shock resistance
Geoff

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"George" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"dj" wrote:

Hmmm lets think here. Who has built the best speakers over the years as
close to what you are trying to accomplish hmm?
Now, what did they use for an encloser...lets see Bose 301,
901...Infinity...Klipsch...My Altec Lansing Voice of Theater?
Now what are they made of.....they are the Best right.....they still
sell
way above anything else on the market 25 years old right?
Sure they do ...just take a look see....you know it now and so it's
obvious,
unless well you don't know **** about speakers or enclosures.....see
that
wasn't hard was it?
MDF, HDF, MFD, WTF?
So now that thats settled...let move on shall we.....ok I have 8 monkeys
to
screw this one board together and...........Oh sorry anyway

So we know we pack speakers correctly using padding right.........what
kind
folks?...I can't hear you? Hmm kickass ones use sand........**** did he
just
say sand? OMG, well we can just use nice foam or insulation...say it
with me
I.N.S.U.L.A.T.I.O.N. now lets slap in some crossovers 2Way, 3Way..pop in
our
pole sockets........

Crap I'm waisting my time just use Plexiglass some acetate and lights
and
you're all done.

djfixx

what exactly is your point
Mdf particle board what ever you want to call it is useless for a pro
speaker
it is way to fragile
sure you can make speakers really cheap and sell them for lots of money
to home hi-fi rubes if you use mdf
but a mdf speaker would not last the truck ride to its first gig in a
pro application
and you definatly can not fly a mdf box so that means at best it is a
piece of DJ **** oh wait you are a DJ so this is why you think this way
sorry
wonder why Meyer /turbosound/eaw don't all take your lead and build mdf
boxes?
ever see a mdf box that fell 12 feet to a concrete deck? we call that
trash
and beacuse it is ****ty material it sucks
George
George, you have our vote. MDF is useless for the construction of anything
worth the weight and moving around. above, good for the car.audio goofs
with their subs- maybe

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"George" wrote in message
ever see a mdf box that fell 12 feet to a concrete deck? we call that
trash
and beacuse it is ****ty material it sucks
George
George, you have our vote. MDF is useless for the construction of anything
worth the weight and moving around. above, good for the car.audio goofs
with their subs- maybe

I don;t seem to remember hearing of Clair Bros using MDF...


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what exactly is your point
Mdf particle board what ever you want to call it is useless for a pro
speaker

George, you have our vote. MDF is useless for the construction of anything
worth the weight and moving around. above, good for the car.audio goofs
with their subs- maybe

Well, then there _IS_ the Tannoy CPA-15, DMT-15, etc.
All MDF. The engineered CPA's should be safe to fly, however
they're not designed and built in a garage with a busy cooler full of beer either.

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Have been told today about a Product from a company in Uxbridge UK,
called
"Trimite". Appararently a Primer/Single Coat application used precisely
for
PA/Band enclosures.....

Anyone know of/used this before ?


It's what most of us use for cabs here in Bristol :) - certainly for
bare wood. Carry round a pot of 'Blackboard Black' for on-the-road
touch-ups as well.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...pagenu mber=1

Looks like I maybe heading back to expoy resin...

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On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 01:28:23 GMT, "levyte357"
wrote:

Have been told today about a Product from a company in Uxbridge UK,
called
"Trimite". Appararently a Primer/Single Coat application used precisely
for
PA/Band enclosures.....

Anyone know of/used this before ?


It's what most of us use for cabs here in Bristol :) - certainly for
bare wood. Carry round a pot of 'Blackboard Black' for on-the-road
touch-ups as well.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...pagenu mber=1

Looks like I maybe heading back to expoy resin...

As an old fart with over 30 years and now retired, those MDF or
PARTICLE BOARD cabinets are good for INSTALLS only. The moment a grip
drops one or runs it into something like a steel stairwell, no amount
of resin or covering is going to keep the thing from getting seriously
trashed. There is the MOISTURE factor. If you truck leaks, or you
use them outdoors, or your storage place leaves a bit to be desired,
they will soak up water like a sponge and fall apart. Plus there is
the weight factor. They will have to be floor load on the
truck/trailer with other items placed ON TOP. Will they take the
stress of a heavy object riding around on top of them in a non air
ride unit? In other words, think about how they are to be used.

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Lets look on line for the highest to lowest priced speakers we want to
emulate.....I don't think it's EV.
Did you know A7's or VOT are almost not blowable!
I've had mine since band days and won't give them up for that reason
alone.....Lets see.......hmm where are they used?
Maybe a Huge Rock Concert stacked 6 high? Go to many shows lately? I have,
they're still the most used speaker availabe period.
I have not gone to a show and NOT seen one anywhere in D.C. MD. or VA.
Now are were leaning toward a Mackie type?

"DJ TecThreat" beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM wrote in message
...

"dj" wrote in message
...
Hmmm lets think here. Who has built the best speakers over the years as
close to what you are trying to accomplish hmm?
Now, what did they use for an encloser...lets see Bose 301,
901...Infinity...Klipsch...My Altec Lansing Voice of Theater?
Now what are they made of.....they are the Best right.....they still sell
way above anything else on the market 25 years old right?
Sure they do ...just take a look see....you know it now and so it's
obvious,
unless well you don't know **** about speakers or enclosures.....see that
wasn't hard was it?
MDF, HDF, MFD, WTF?
So now that thats settled...let move on shall we.....ok I have 8 monkeys
to
screw this one board together and...........Oh sorry anyway

So we know we pack speakers correctly using padding right.........what
kind
folks?...I can't hear you? Hmm kickass ones use sand........**** did he
just
say sand? OMG, well we can just use nice foam or insulation...say it with
me
I.N.S.U.L.A.T.I.O.N. now lets slap in some crossovers 2Way, 3Way..pop in
our
pole sockets........

Crap I'm waisting my time just use Plexiglass some acetate and lights and
you're all done.

djfixx

Bose defintly does not make the best speakers thats for sure. If we're
talking PA here, you need to be looking at Turbosound, EV, EAW, Meyer
sound,
not bose.

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

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My point exactly!!!! It was sarcasm really

"George" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"dj" wrote:

Hmmm lets think here. Who has built the best speakers over the years as
close to what you are trying to accomplish hmm?
Now, what did they use for an encloser...lets see Bose 301,
901...Infinity...Klipsch...My Altec Lansing Voice of Theater?
Now what are they made of.....they are the Best right.....they still sell
way above anything else on the market 25 years old right?
Sure they do ...just take a look see....you know it now and so it's
obvious,
unless well you don't know **** about speakers or enclosures.....see that
wasn't hard was it?
MDF, HDF, MFD, WTF?
So now that thats settled...let move on shall we.....ok I have 8 monkeys
to
screw this one board together and...........Oh sorry anyway

So we know we pack speakers correctly using padding right.........what
kind
folks?...I can't hear you? Hmm kickass ones use sand........**** did he
just
say sand? OMG, well we can just use nice foam or insulation...say it with
me
I.N.S.U.L.A.T.I.O.N. now lets slap in some crossovers 2Way, 3Way..pop in
our
pole sockets........

Crap I'm waisting my time just use Plexiglass some acetate and lights and
you're all done.

djfixx

what exactly is your point
Mdf particle board what ever you want to call it is useless for a pro
speaker
it is way to fragile
sure you can make speakers really cheap and sell them for lots of money
to home hi-fi rubes if you use mdf
but a mdf speaker would not last the truck ride to its first gig in a
pro application
and you definatly can not fly a mdf box so that means at best it is a
piece of DJ **** oh wait you are a DJ so this is why you think this way
sorry
wonder why Meyer /turbosound/eaw don't all take your lead and build mdf
boxes?
ever see a mdf box that fell 12 feet to a concrete deck? we call that
trash
and beacuse it is ****ty material it sucks
George

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In article ,
"dj" wrote:

Lets look on line for the highest to lowest priced speakers we want to
emulate.....I don't think it's EV.
Did you know A7's or VOT are almost not blowable!
I've had mine since band days and won't give them up for that reason
alone.....Lets see.......hmm where are they used?
Maybe a Huge Rock Concert stacked 6 high? Go to many shows lately? I have,
they're still the most used speaker availabe period.
I have not gone to a show and NOT seen one anywhere in D.C. MD. or VA.
Now are were leaning toward a Mackie type?

go over to www.prosoundnews.com
they have detailed specs on who is using what and where
I will send you 100.00$ for every mention of a7 or vot speakers used in
thier top 10 concert listings
if you send me 1$ for every listing where a7 or VOT is NOT mentioned
in fact find any shed9minimum 6,000 seats including lawns) or arena or
stadium show(world wide, just one) that is using a7 or VOT as foh
speakers period and I will buy you dinner
George

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A7's were the speakers to have at one time for their efficency. They
had no true bottom end (woofer horn was designed for low-mids), no highs
(no tweeters), but they could play very loud. That is what they were
designed to do. A band I was in had clones of them made out of
particle. They sounded good as far as a bar goes, but they were heavy
to move. If you didn't have a bank of Crown DC-300's to work with, the
A7 was a great alternative to get volume.

Klipsh Lascala's were up there for sound also, and they used EV T35
tweeters back mouted which limited the dispersion for the tweeters.

JBL, which wasn't even mentioned, is used alot.

To the originator of this post, all they were wanting was a way to
protect the investment. Saying an A7 won't do what he is wanting is not
the truth. They will play loud music for a bunch of tipsy listeners who
couldn't tell freq response if they had too.

( Been there, done that, got paid - lol)

They will be heavy to move and care must be given them so as to not be
dropped, but they will get the gig done.

The addition of subs and tweeters would help their overall sound though.

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"dj" wrote in message
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My point exactly!!!! It was sarcasm really


lots of stuff, including at least a couple of "points" snipped

Er, just exactly WHAT was your point? Since you top-posted without trimming
anything, and didn't post in context to the "point", how are we to know
exactly what you agreed to, there? Frankly, I didn't read through all the
stuff you didn't trim to try and determine exactly what point you were
referring to, because it would have been too much trouble. Additionally, I
should point out that the question is rhetorical, as I don't really care
WHAT the point was. I just thought that you might like to make a note of
how confusing this style of posting can become so that (should you choose
to) next time you can be more courteous to your reader and trim the
non-relevant bits and post in context so they will know just exactly what
you are referring to. Or not.

Kendall