Andy Hewitt wrote:

Hi chaps, Haven't posted here for a while, but here goes. I have checked
out Google, and not much help there on this.

I have a budget of up to about £70 for some new headphones. I like
listening to music in the evenings, so concert levels through speakers
are a no-no. I have a very varied taste, anything from Amadeus Mozart to
ZZ Top.

I've had a search around on the internet for reviews and tests, although
the only ones I could easily find were in the US, so I'm not sure how
valid their hearing tests are compared to ours.

Anyway, I've kind of got my eye on the Grado SR60 phones at the moment,
as their reviews are all good, and they are just under my maximum
budget.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any decent hi-fi shops around
here locally (Durham) to go and try some out (unless someone knows
different). Although IMHO, it seems a bit pointless testing headphones
that haven't been 'broken in' anyway.

It's fairly accepted that heavy duty ( eg PA type ) speakers can be 'broken
in' with a few hours 'conditioning' with the result of a lower resonant
frequency but I've never heard the claim made of headphones - nor can I
think of a rational reason why they should need such conditioing.


Names like Technics, Koss and Sennheiser are also some I've looked at,
in partcilular the Sennheiser HD497.

Beyers are nice too - I have a pair currently.

I think the only Koss headphones around now are the Chinese PRO4AA 'copies'.
Very heavy. The ear seal makes for stunning ( literally sometimes ) bass
though.

Sennheisers and Beyers tend to much favoured by pros. AKG make some good
stuff too. Seems to be an area where the European manufacturers seem to have
an edge.


Graham

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Andy Hewitt wrote:

Hi chaps, Haven't posted here for a while, but here goes. I have checked
out Google, and not much help there on this.

I have a budget of up to about £70 for some new headphones. I like
listening to music in the evenings, so concert levels through speakers
are a no-no. I have a very varied taste, anything from Amadeus Mozart to
ZZ Top.

I've had a search around on the internet for reviews and tests, although
the only ones I could easily find were in the US, so I'm not sure how
valid their hearing tests are compared to ours.

Anyway, I've kind of got my eye on the Grado SR60 phones at the moment,
as their reviews are all good, and they are just under my maximum
budget.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any decent hi-fi shops around
here locally (Durham) to go and try some out (unless someone knows
different). Although IMHO, it seems a bit pointless testing headphones
that haven't been 'broken in' anyway.

It's fairly accepted that heavy duty ( eg PA type ) speakers can be 'broken
in' with a few hours 'conditioning' with the result of a lower resonant
frequency but I've never heard the claim made of headphones - nor can I
think of a rational reason why they should need such conditioing.


Names like Technics, Koss and Sennheiser are also some I've looked at,
in partcilular the Sennheiser HD497.

Beyers are nice too - I have a pair currently.

I think the only Koss headphones around now are the Chinese PRO4AA 'copies'.
Very heavy. The ear seal makes for stunning ( literally sometimes ) bass
though.

Sennheisers and Beyers tend to much favoured by pros. AKG make some good
stuff too. Seems to be an area where the European manufacturers seem to have
an edge.


Graham


Ever heard the colouration on a pair of Beyer DT100's?...
--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:

Ever heard the colouration on a pair of Beyer DT100's?...

Most I've heard sound quite 'muddy' to me - but that may be because they get
totally thrashed and abused in their intended application.

Not a pair of headphones I'd suggest for home listening.


Graham

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tony sayer wrote:
Ever heard the colouration on a pair of Beyer DT100's?...

It's difficult to explain why you might want to use something apparently
not of the finest possible quality for monitoring use, but despite trying
most, I still like the DT 100s.

LS 3/5a is a prime example. It may have a restricted and slightly tubby
bass, but anything that sounds fine on those is likely to be very
acceptable on anything else. Balancing on speakers with a 'larger than
life' sound is likely to result in poor overall results for everyone else.

However, I never use cans for pleasure purposes. Hate the bl***y things.

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In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Ever heard the colouration on a pair of Beyer DT100's?...

It's difficult to explain why you might want to use something apparently
not of the finest possible quality for monitoring use, but despite trying
most, I still like the DT 100s.

LS 3/5a is a prime example. It may have a restricted and slightly tubby
bass, but anything that sounds fine on those is likely to be very
acceptable on anything else. Balancing on speakers with a 'larger than
life' sound is likely to result in poor overall results for everyone else.

However, I never use cans for pleasure purposes. Hate the bl***y things.

--
*Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Dave Plowman London SW

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Some folk get used to the ubiquitous DT100 like an old friend, especially
that 'feel' if you're doing something like broadcasting. They're robust and
when they get mangled in the studio environment (which they most certainly
do frequently) then spare parts are readily available, ensuring rapid
repair. Unless you carry your own phones in such use you'll find the last
broadcaster with a bigger head (!) has sprung the headband out so when you
lean forward they feel like their about to slide off unless you bend it
back!!...time for new headband I suspect. Personally I prefered Sony's
(closed back) but who am I to knock an institution.

Mike

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Mike Gilmour wrote:
Some folk get used to the ubiquitous DT100 like an old friend,
especially that 'feel' if you're doing something like broadcasting.
They're robust and when they get mangled in the studio environment
(which they most certainly do frequently) then spare parts are readily
available, ensuring rapid repair. Unless you carry your own phones in
such use you'll find the last broadcaster with a bigger head (!) has
sprung the headband out so when you lean forward they feel like their
about to slide off unless you bend it back!!...time for new headband I
suspect. Personally I prefered Sony's (closed back) but who am I to
knock an institution.

Yes - of course they're commonly used for 'talkback' in a studio rather
than critical applications. The fact that they are available in a variety
of impedances and with or without mic makes them very attractive from the
maintenance view - many spares are common to all types. So they'll get
used for other perhaps more critical apps like muso cans too.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Mike Gilmour wrote:
Some folk get used to the ubiquitous DT100 like an old friend,
especially that 'feel' if you're doing something like broadcasting.
They're robust and when they get mangled in the studio environment
(which they most certainly do frequently) then spare parts are readily
available, ensuring rapid repair. Unless you carry your own phones in
such use you'll find the last broadcaster with a bigger head (!) has
sprung the headband out so when you lean forward they feel like their
about to slide off unless you bend it back!!...time for new headband I
suspect. Personally I prefered Sony's (closed back) but who am I to
knock an institution.

Yes - of course they're commonly used for 'talkback' in a studio rather
than critical applications. The fact that they are available in a variety
of impedances and with or without mic makes them very attractive from the
maintenance view - many spares are common to all types. So they'll get
used for other perhaps more critical apps like muso cans too.

--
*I finally got my head together, now my body is falling apart.

Dave Plowman London SW
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If I remember impedances 8 ohms through 2K. I know them as widely used at
Radio Stations as radio presenters/guests headphones - but not as you say
for critical applications. With mics on OB and studio - studio talkback
Always sounded a bit wooly & muffled to me but sort of okay for on-air
monitoring or pfl apps.
Mike

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Ever heard the colouration on a pair of Beyer DT100's?...

It's difficult to explain why you might want to use something apparently
not of the finest possible quality for monitoring use, but despite trying
most, I still like the DT 100s.

I meant, of course DT48s.

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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Ever heard the colouration on a pair of Beyer DT100's?...

It's difficult to explain why you might want to use something apparently
not of the finest possible quality for monitoring use, but despite
trying
most, I still like the DT 100s.

I meant, of course DT48s.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Ah I was beginning to wonder - there's me being rather polite in my last
posting ;-)

Mike

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tony sayer wrote:
Ever heard the colouration on a pair of Beyer DT100's?...

But were they ever sold as domestic units? They're commonly just
reasonable quality general quality pro units that can at least be repaired
when trashed.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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